The arrogance of some people

[WinterLuna]

this isn't always true, sometimes the group just isn't good enough in some way for the healer to cleric stance over and DPS because they have their hands full with healing. you might think this is rare and really it should be but I see this a lot in DF randoms.

There are exceptions obviously, and that was my point. It doesn't make someone a bad healer to .. you know.. just be healing. That's our job. DPSing is a bonus, but players really should be trying to improve themselves if they find themselves standing around doing nothing in between heals.

[Powe]

Why oh why did you cast Raise on this thread ;; Stone it back to it's grave.

I'm sorry T.T I found a certains persons comment that was added to someones signature comment( the things on the bottom on every one of your comments if you have it)and i thought since there was over a 100 pages since January it would of took months for it to reach 100 pages T.T ' cries in a corner"

[WinterLuna]

I'm sorry T.T I found a certains persons comment that was added to someones signature comment( the things on the bottom on every one of your comments if you have it)and i thought since there was over a 100 pages since January it would of took months for it to reach 100 pages T.T ' cries in a corner"

This is the Forums.. a place for discussion. Don't apologise for commenting on a thread

[Wildsprite]

There are exceptions obviously, and that was my point. It doesn't make someone a bad healer to .. you know.. just be healing. That's our job. DPSing is a bonus, but players really should be trying to improve themselves if they find themselves standing around doing nothing in between heals.

this I agree with

[Joe_Schmoe]

Sorry venting
Was on my healer doing my expert and roulette and this SMN kept saying I should dot or help dps
Now I'm fine with dpsing occasionally but that's not my job!
Dps was slacking already was a 40min run in Saint.
Granted I let the tank die once because I was typing to said group, but that's all.
This SMN said I wasn't even doing my job, but my job is to heal! If I wanted to dps i'll switch to a dps class.
Don't argue with someone just because they're healing and doing their job.
This dps also was ignoring mechanics from belladonna, not looking away from whatever that move is called.
Also he/she wasn't new had full 210 gear
Edit:
Looks like people can't read and took this thread to a whole new level
I said I dps occasionally, if group is great you better believe i'm going to spam the f out of holy.
Said dps was slacking! So you guys expect a healer to dps when the dps want TO BE LAZY. F that if I get lazy dps you get a lazy healer.
I let the tank die because this SMN was arguing with me. So of course I take blme because I'm the healer
With dps ignoring mechanics kind of hard to dps as well! Especially if said dps was full 210

The short version: If I have to help DPS I think I'm gonna be short a DPSer. Unless you're doing super difficult content it's only a plus, not a requirement.

[Whiteroom]

I like what the fellow said a pge back about not dodging. It may sound extreme, but it really boils down to the same thing. A dps can minimize the healing needed, just like a healer can take care of some deeps. Dpsing as healer isn't any harder than dodging as dps either.

[AnaviAnael]

I like what the fellow said a pge back about not dodging. It may sound extreme, but it really boils down to the same thing. A dps can minimize the healing needed, just like a healer can take care of some deeps. Dpsing as healer isn't any harder than dodging as dps either.

I know a chick who was asked to use Virus during Thordan EX. She said, "you don't understand how hard it is to DPS as a healer." She's a sch btw. (I think I heard Kaurie and Ashkendor die a little inside.)

[Seraphix2407]

Last week I got my WHM to 60 and like around few days before that, I was in Aery. I kept dpsing and the tank NEVER died, even with lots of pulls, they NEVER used vengance on their warrior and I still kept them alive while dpsing (because holy is OP with stuns ). They never used maim or storms eye or path either, just butchers block combo, even on bigger packs they rarely did overpower. Well if they did do the storms combo's it wasn't often for sure but either way this happens when I die for the fift time because they refuse to tank properly.


Is this okay? I'm not saying all tanks are like this, but holy shit, I really hate just healing in a dungeon and just sit there and wait till something is going on, which rarely happens. Like right after I hit 60 and tried my fresh 60 whm in the lvl 60 roulette, I met 1 tank who rarely was in the tank stance after he got aggro, used cooldowns while I kept dpsing, keep in mind the dps's I had in that group was also amazing, thought it somehow was a premade but it wasn't. This run took 11 min to finish. Now, I'm not saying everyone should heal and dps if they don't want to, but if you gonna complaing healing is boring and it's the only class you can instant que with, you either stop que as a healer or start dpsing and then same time keep the tank alive. I personaly love dpsing and same time heal, not because it makes the run faster but I also improve as a healer which is my goal, to be better and also its fun being better no? I honestly don't see some people's logic.

Oh not this again. Ok, to settle this: Healers who don't DPS are fine, consider it a bonus if we do, dungeons aren't built with our deeps in mind, and if enrage timers are being hit, or enemies are taking forever to die, if your class icon is red, YOU ARE THE ONE SLACKING, NOT US.

I agree on this, however if everyone can optimized there will mostlikely be less mechanics going on, which means less cd usage from tanks and less heal which be less burden for the players. Again, I will say it, I don't expect people to dps as a healer.

[Archaell]

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It is not okay because you were being inconsiderate of the tank. :P As much as I dislike dpsing no-defensive/enmity abilities warriors, you should not get obsessed with pressing all the buttons when the tank has enmity issues. 5 times really? xD And you hadn't considered that maybe you could have lowered your enmity output by not dpsing?

I know that doing less than you can do may hurt your ego, but sometimes doing too much can be even worse than doing too little.

[Ashkendor]

I know a chick who was asked to use Virus during Thordan EX. She said, "you don't understand how hard it is to DPS as a healer." She's a sch btw. (I think I heard Kaurie and Ashkendor die a little inside.)

Hahaha. Honestly, it takes practice to DPS effectively even as a SCH.

You have to learn exactly how much your fairy can carry. ;3

Is this okay? I'm not saying all tanks are like this, but holy shit, I really hate just healing in a dungeon and just sit there and wait till something is going on, which rarely happens.

It's not okay. The tank wasn't doing his job, which probably would've kept you from doing even basic healing. Healing generates tons of aggro, and if the tank was failing to keep AoE hate on mob packs, you would've had stuff chasing you either way.

It is not okay because you were being inconsiderate of the tank. :P As much as I dislike dpsing no-defensive/enmity abilities warriors, you should not get obsessed with pressing all the buttons when the tank has enmity issues. 5 times really? xD And you hadn't considered that maybe you could have lowered your enmity output by not dpsing?

Healing generates far more enmity than DPS does. She probably would have had the same problem whether she DPS'ed or not. This isn't a matter of being considerate or inconsiderate to the tank. If the tank isn't holding enmity, they flat-out aren't doing their job and either their gear needs to be updated or their play needs some major adjustment. Since this was in Aery, she was synced down to a gear level appropriate for the dungeon and unless they were undergeared for the content, there's no way that a warrior of all things should have had any problems whatsoever keeping hate off of her.