SAMURAI SHOWDOWN

[Krissey]

As for correct representations, yes there are tons of ways to portray them. My question is, do you think that if we got a Shogun tank, would a Ronin DPS be too much, considering we'd have a Samurai tank and two eastern DPS already?

First of all calling them "Shogun" or "Ronin" is..pointless. They're terms you made up to distinguish their roles. SquareEnix will just call it "Samurai" one way or the other. Second: No I don't think it would be too much to have a Samurai DPS. Third what is the other "Eastern" DPS? We have Ninja and...?

Monk = Ala Mhigan order the Fist of Rhalgr...which is right next to Garlemand Empire and Eorzea.
Dragoon = Ishgardian Order of Knights for killing Dragons
Machinist = Ishgardian Order of Soldiers for Killing Dragons
Summoner = Ancient Study of Magic from Amdapor or something
Black Mage = Ancient Study of Magic by some ancient city state
Bard = Gridanian form of support troops

So...who else is from the East? O.o

[DWolfwood]

First of all calling them "Shogun" or "Ronin" is..pointless. They're terms you made up to distinguish their roles.

And? That's the whole point of this thread...

SquareEnix will just call it "Samurai" one way or the other.

"Thief" -> Rogue.

Monk = Ala Mhigan order the Fist of Rhalgr...which is right next to Garlemand Empire and Eorzea.

who else is from the East? O.o

Okay, so first of all, Doma isn't the only place in the "East." We got other nations with different themes on the continent of Othard. The recent interview with Koji Fox gets into this.

Second, "East" is used by both players and the development team in two different ways. We have the East in the game, which is Othard, and we have the East in real life. If by some chance we get a RDM, BLU, DNC, RNG, BST, etc. from Rabanastre or Dalmasca, yes they're "Eastern" jobs within the context of the game, but they're not what art designers would call "Eastern-themed" jobs.

This however, would be:

Why would their team waste resources on making 2 roles for one job instead of making 2 jobs?... Like I said, if it were up to me we'd have two samurai. One would be heavy armor tank while the other would be a more romanticized version. Then they'd even feel unique.

Again, the reason why they'd do this is because people want it. Like you just said, it's what you want, and it would even feel unique. If enough people get behind the idea, we will see it.

[Krissey]

You're super good at splitting hairs.

Convince me why 2 or even 3 DPS jobs "From the East" is too many. After all, isn't 3 "Western" Tanks too many? Shouldn't Dark Knight have been a "Western" DPS because we already had 2 "Western" Tanks? This makes literally no sense.

Also Rogue/Ninja is never called Thief in FFXIV...so I'm not sure why you brought that up. In the same way, I'm fairly certain in FF of any sort was there a "Ronin" or "Shogun" but rather only Samurai. It is what the developers call it...

Edit: Also to clarify I don't care if it is a tank or a healer or a DPS. In fact I would be fine if all we got for the next 6 expansions were magic users of various types and never got Samurai. I literally don't care. However based on common media portrayal etc... it makes sense that it would be a damage dealer rather than a tank.

Also just for reference Ala Mhigo is right next to Gridania... It's barely in the East in game, although I suppose as for "real life inspiration" Monk would be considered Eastern - sure...but in the real world, and in game Dark Knights..Dragoons...Machinists...all come from Ishgard which is in the West - and so do their real life counterparts (Knights are European, Gun powder came to Japan from Europe..Dragoons were calvary pikemen...from Europe...)

So again - is having all the "Western" DPS and Tanks too many "Western" DPS and Tanks? Why does the influence of the region in game or IRL matter /at all/?