The cooldown reset on A8s is unbearable

[RiceisNice]

So.... Everybody buffs up, you send the sacrifice in to start a fight with the boss while everybody else waits outside the arena. He dies, boss resets, cooldowns reset, _AND_ you still have your buffs up?

This only apples to A5s of the current raid encounters, everywhere else once you get a complete party wipe, the instance fades to black and resets. And even tehn, the arena locks itself out after 10 seconds, and you have the time of running back, rebufing (or taking a 3 minute res sickness, which is probably more detrimental to party dps).

When you're looking at a fight like A6s, you want to kill blaster in an X amount of time to beat the enrage timer...which means having cooldowns from the start. If you get a freak wipe because of someone getting caught in mirage or landmines not being taken care of, it's as good as a wipe because you probably won't be meeting the enrage timer on a clearing attempt.

[Warlyx]

boss reset or leave combat , like Rice mentioned that could work on A6s but just the 1 boss..., because after that u are in combat until kill all the bosses...or wipe.

[Hyperia]

Trying to learn first phase on this fight (and any fights but this one especially) its hugely demoralizing when over a 3rd of the raid time is standing there with thumbs up butts waiting for CDs.

I've heard of groups having to change their entire strategy if they involved HG or Living Dead since the cooldown reset is just unbearable.

Its so frustrating having get to together 8 from all around the world to spend so much time just standing looking at the boss waiting.

CD reset exists in SSS there is literally no reason SE can't take the time to implement this HUGE quality of life upgrade in its end game.

Yoshi said that they will not reset CDs on raids because they believe that there should be a penalty to dying in a fight. It encourages players to fight harder because they don't want to sit around waiting for CDs. If the CDs were instantly reset upon a wipe, teams would call for wipes more frequently as there would be no penalty.

[RiceisNice]

Yoshi said that they will not reset CDs on raids because they believe that there should be a penalty to dying in a fight. It encourages players to fight harder because they don't want to sit around waiting for CDs. If the CDs were instantly reset upon a wipe, teams would call for wipes more frequently as there would be no penalty.

This is a fallacy since there is already a penalty of having to restart the fight. The 1~2 minutes of downtime is just attrition at that point when you get a wipe from messing up a single mechanic. there's no encouragement to "fight harder" if there is already the goal of clearing a fight in place.

[alimdia]

Yoshi said that they will not reset CDs on raids because they believe that there should be a penalty to dying in a fight. It encourages players to fight harder because they don't want to sit around waiting for CDs. If the CDs were instantly reset upon a wipe, teams would call for wipes more frequently as there would be no penalty.

Do you have a source?

[tremor24]

Trying to learn first phase on this fight (and any fights but this one especially) its hugely demoralizing when over a 3rd of the raid time is standing there with thumbs up butts waiting for CDs.

I've heard of groups having to change their entire strategy if they involved HG or Living Dead since the cooldown reset is just unbearable.

Its so frustrating having get to together 8 from all around the world to spend so much time just standing looking at the boss waiting.

CD reset exists in SSS there is literally no reason SE can't take the time to implement this HUGE quality of life upgrade in its end game.

Many of us have not only been hoping for this but expecting this for a long time now, and the lack of a genuine response has become a bit frustrating. The main "exploit" people mention is wiping until an optimal opener is achieved, but this is very unlikely unless the group knows the fight well and is optimizing which means they are probably farming for a speed run anyway so who does this harm? Changing a strategy to never use a long cd (living dead, holmgang, hallowed ground, and benediction) in the first five minutes is not a consideration for many groups just because of an artificial time gate. Cd's not resetting on a wipe contributes to frustration and burn out more than extending the time people want to play in my opinion. Especially in fights such as A8s where we sometimes end up waiting for cd's longer than we even got to fight on a preceding run.

[ZanzhizExaverion]

My friend and our DRK for raid went to PAX, he told my raid he asked Yoshida if they would even implement CD resettin on wiping in an instance. He told us that he responded by saying "We'd be afraid of balance problems." Friend was baffled.

[FoxyAreku]

So.... Everybody buffs up, you send the sacrifice in to start a fight with the boss while everybody else waits outside the arena. He dies, boss resets, cooldowns reset, _AND_ you still have your buffs up?

Yes because you're totally going to be able to have that one person die and run all the way back in the 20 seconds raging strikes is still on you.

People coming up with ways this could be 'exploited' is nothing short of laughable to me.

[LeeraSorlan]

Yes because you're totally going to be able to have that one person die and run all the way back in the 20 seconds raging strikes is still on you.

People coming up with ways this could be 'exploited' is nothing short of laughable to me.

not that i agree with her, but it is entirely possible, there is almost always a checkpoint to the boss after u fight its trash or in the case of some fights you are right at the boss immediately, lets say you get a healer to take off all gear, run in and get easily one shoted, respawn and get immediately protected while gear changing as soon as they respawn. that would eat up at most 5 to 6 seconds if done right.

its still a silly exploit and it wont do anything but help burst dps, but regardless, it would be very doable.

Alternativly to prevent this type of exploit, they could remove all benefical abilties on the target as well as reset the cooldowns, which would solve everything that is exploitable about this anyway

[FoxyAreku]

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You might get one or two hits in at most. And that's if the person dying has a fast CPU where they can load and take the shortcut near instantly.

It's just silly to even bring up. Not even to mention, they could just make it so only people who have died and gone through the respawn loading screen get the cooldown reset...