The cooldown reset on A8s is unbearable

[Pells]

... (basically when the boss resets) ...

So.... Everybody buffs up, you send the sacrifice in to start a fight with the boss while everybody else waits outside the arena. He dies, boss resets, cooldowns reset, _AND_ you still have your buffs up?

[RiceisNice]

So.... Everybody buffs up, you send the sacrifice in to start a fight with the boss while everybody else waits outside the arena. He dies, boss resets, cooldowns reset, _AND_ you still have your buffs up?

This only apples to A5s of the current raid encounters, everywhere else once you get a complete party wipe, the instance fades to black and resets. And even tehn, the arena locks itself out after 10 seconds, and you have the time of running back, rebufing (or taking a 3 minute res sickness, which is probably more detrimental to party dps).

When you're looking at a fight like A6s, you want to kill blaster in an X amount of time to beat the enrage timer...which means having cooldowns from the start. If you get a freak wipe because of someone getting caught in mirage or landmines not being taken care of, it's as good as a wipe because you probably won't be meeting the enrage timer on a clearing attempt.

[Warlyx]

boss reset or leave combat , like Rice mentioned that could work on A6s but just the 1 boss..., because after that u are in combat until kill all the bosses...or wipe.

[FoxyAreku]

So.... Everybody buffs up, you send the sacrifice in to start a fight with the boss while everybody else waits outside the arena. He dies, boss resets, cooldowns reset, _AND_ you still have your buffs up?

Yes because you're totally going to be able to have that one person die and run all the way back in the 20 seconds raging strikes is still on you.

People coming up with ways this could be 'exploited' is nothing short of laughable to me.

[LeeraSorlan]

Yes because you're totally going to be able to have that one person die and run all the way back in the 20 seconds raging strikes is still on you.

People coming up with ways this could be 'exploited' is nothing short of laughable to me.

not that i agree with her, but it is entirely possible, there is almost always a checkpoint to the boss after u fight its trash or in the case of some fights you are right at the boss immediately, lets say you get a healer to take off all gear, run in and get easily one shoted, respawn and get immediately protected while gear changing as soon as they respawn. that would eat up at most 5 to 6 seconds if done right.

its still a silly exploit and it wont do anything but help burst dps, but regardless, it would be very doable.

Alternativly to prevent this type of exploit, they could remove all benefical abilties on the target as well as reset the cooldowns, which would solve everything that is exploitable about this anyway

[FoxyAreku]

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You might get one or two hits in at most. And that's if the person dying has a fast CPU where they can load and take the shortcut near instantly.

It's just silly to even bring up. Not even to mention, they could just make it so only people who have died and gone through the respawn loading screen get the cooldown reset...

[Pells]

You might get one or two hits in at most. And that's if the person dying has a fast CPU where they can load and take the shortcut near instantly.

It's just silly to even bring up. Not even to mention, they could just make it so only people who have died and gone through the respawn loading screen get the cooldown reset...

Yes. You have to consider how things will be exploited when proposing changes. Because if it is possible, it will be exploited. One or two hits when buffed is better than none, so it is an advantage. Whether it is worthwhile can be debated.

[RiceisNice]

not that i agree with her, but it is entirely possible, there is almost always a checkpoint to the boss after u fight its trash or in the case of some fights you are right at the boss immediately, lets say you get a healer to take off all gear, run in and get easily one shoted, respawn and get immediately protected while gear changing as soon as they respawn. that would eat up at most 5 to 6 seconds if done right.

What scenario is this? All trials have you fighting in a enclosed boss room that if someone aggros the boss, everyone is engaged to the fight. Only a total party wipe would reset it. A1, 2, 3 and 5 doesn't this, but are you honestly saying that they can get one shot'd, return to base, take the short cut, and run back into the boss fight all within 15 seconds (with no mana and TP, mind you). Who is even getting the cooldown reset at this point?

You can't do this in dungeons because shortcuts do not put you in front of the boss arena, only to where the previous boss was.

Not to sound rude, but this is an incredibly silly excuse to play devil's advocate with; it doesn't even make sense within the context of the game.

[KarstenS]

All trials have you fighting in a enclosed boss room that if someone aggros the boss, everyone is engaged to the fight. Only a total party wipe would reset it.

Not only this. You can't release your character back to the entrance in fight like this after death.

[LeeraSorlan]

it doesn't even make sense within the context of the game.

are you saying it absolutely cant be done? sure, on the primal encounters and some raid bosses everyone is in the fight if one starts the fight, but look at something like (for example of course) T11 at i130.
it is completely possible to get one shot immediately, taking less than 5 seconds to die and respawn, taking a little over 3 seconds to use the shortcut and be right back with the party. assuming you arent playing on windows 95 and u take 10 years to load these two things, thats 8 seconds, getting rebuffed and blowing your shroud/potion/mana wahtsit abilties going in as a healer, its definantly possible to do this in 15 seconds or less.
as i said im not trying to justfiy this as some excuse to not reset the cooldowns, as i fully agree they should be reset regardless of this minimal exploit (That is easily fixable). im just noting that it is possible to do so in some instances