The cooldown reset on A8s is unbearable

[FoxyAreku]

So.... Everybody buffs up, you send the sacrifice in to start a fight with the boss while everybody else waits outside the arena. He dies, boss resets, cooldowns reset, _AND_ you still have your buffs up?

Yes because you're totally going to be able to have that one person die and run all the way back in the 20 seconds raging strikes is still on you.

People coming up with ways this could be 'exploited' is nothing short of laughable to me.

[LeeraSorlan]

Yes because you're totally going to be able to have that one person die and run all the way back in the 20 seconds raging strikes is still on you.

People coming up with ways this could be 'exploited' is nothing short of laughable to me.

not that i agree with her, but it is entirely possible, there is almost always a checkpoint to the boss after u fight its trash or in the case of some fights you are right at the boss immediately, lets say you get a healer to take off all gear, run in and get easily one shoted, respawn and get immediately protected while gear changing as soon as they respawn. that would eat up at most 5 to 6 seconds if done right.

its still a silly exploit and it wont do anything but help burst dps, but regardless, it would be very doable.

Alternativly to prevent this type of exploit, they could remove all benefical abilties on the target as well as reset the cooldowns, which would solve everything that is exploitable about this anyway

[FoxyAreku]

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You might get one or two hits in at most. And that's if the person dying has a fast CPU where they can load and take the shortcut near instantly.

It's just silly to even bring up. Not even to mention, they could just make it so only people who have died and gone through the respawn loading screen get the cooldown reset...

[Pells]

You might get one or two hits in at most. And that's if the person dying has a fast CPU where they can load and take the shortcut near instantly.

It's just silly to even bring up. Not even to mention, they could just make it so only people who have died and gone through the respawn loading screen get the cooldown reset...

Yes. You have to consider how things will be exploited when proposing changes. Because if it is possible, it will be exploited. One or two hits when buffed is better than none, so it is an advantage. Whether it is worthwhile can be debated.

[RiceisNice]

not that i agree with her, but it is entirely possible, there is almost always a checkpoint to the boss after u fight its trash or in the case of some fights you are right at the boss immediately, lets say you get a healer to take off all gear, run in and get easily one shoted, respawn and get immediately protected while gear changing as soon as they respawn. that would eat up at most 5 to 6 seconds if done right.

What scenario is this? All trials have you fighting in a enclosed boss room that if someone aggros the boss, everyone is engaged to the fight. Only a total party wipe would reset it. A1, 2, 3 and 5 doesn't this, but are you honestly saying that they can get one shot'd, return to base, take the short cut, and run back into the boss fight all within 15 seconds (with no mana and TP, mind you). Who is even getting the cooldown reset at this point?

You can't do this in dungeons because shortcuts do not put you in front of the boss arena, only to where the previous boss was.

Not to sound rude, but this is an incredibly silly excuse to play devil's advocate with; it doesn't even make sense within the context of the game.

[KarstenS]

All trials have you fighting in a enclosed boss room that if someone aggros the boss, everyone is engaged to the fight. Only a total party wipe would reset it.

Not only this. You can't release your character back to the entrance in fight like this after death.

[LeeraSorlan]

it doesn't even make sense within the context of the game.

are you saying it absolutely cant be done? sure, on the primal encounters and some raid bosses everyone is in the fight if one starts the fight, but look at something like (for example of course) T11 at i130.
it is completely possible to get one shot immediately, taking less than 5 seconds to die and respawn, taking a little over 3 seconds to use the shortcut and be right back with the party. assuming you arent playing on windows 95 and u take 10 years to load these two things, thats 8 seconds, getting rebuffed and blowing your shroud/potion/mana wahtsit abilties going in as a healer, its definantly possible to do this in 15 seconds or less.
as i said im not trying to justfiy this as some excuse to not reset the cooldowns, as i fully agree they should be reset regardless of this minimal exploit (That is easily fixable). im just noting that it is possible to do so in some instances

[RiceisNice]

are you saying it absolutely cant be done? sure, on the primal encounters and some raid bosses everyone is in the fight if one starts the fight, but look at something like (for example of course) T11 at i130.

T11 requires a total party wipe to reset the fight because there's no entrance or barrier.

it is completely possible to get one shot immediately, taking less than 5 seconds to die and respawn, taking a little over 3 seconds to use the shortcut and be right back with the party. assuming you arent playing on windows 95 and u take 10 years to load these two things, thats 8 seconds, getting rebuffed and blowing your shroud/potion/mana wahtsit abilties going in as a healer, its definantly possible to do this in 15 seconds or less.

The black screen fading to black as you return to the exit alone takes a second, then 3 seconds for the respawn animation, then you have the running back (or if you're using the shortcut, that's another 2 seconds for loading speed even on my rig).

You're still also repsawning with 0 mp and 0 tp which is an issue espesically for healer, even with shroud. Even if it's possible as you put it, it's so incredibly impractical that you're at a disadvantage because of the resource loss.

[QUOTE=Pells;3681042]The primal trials start you in the arena, yes. So does Midas 4. Midas 1-3 start you outside the arena.../QUOTE]

As i mentioned earlier, you're more-than likely going to start at a disadvantage with the healer starting with less than half mana (even if you do blow their mana regen) because you're going to respawn with 0 mp and 0 tp. Even if this scenario was a example of an "Exploit", it's a silly one at that.

[Pells]

As i mentioned earlier, you're more-than likely going to start at a disadvantage with the healer starting with less than half mana (even if you do blow their mana regen) because you're going to respawn with 0 mp and 0 tp. Even if this scenario was a example of an "Exploit", it's a silly one at that.

ONE person starts at a disadvantage so seven others can have an advantage. You do know that there are already strategies in some fights where one raid member will deliberately eat a death so that more don't have to?

[Pells]

What scenario is this? All trials have you fighting in a enclosed boss room that if someone aggros the boss, everyone is engaged to the fight. Only a total party wipe would reset it. A1, 2, 3 and 5 doesn't this, but are you honestly saying that they can get one shot'd, return to base, take the short cut, and run back into the boss fight all within 15 seconds (with no mana and TP, mind you). Who is even getting the cooldown reset at this point?

You can't do this in dungeons because shortcuts do not put you in front of the boss arena, only to where the previous boss was.

Not to sound rude, but this is an incredibly silly excuse to play devil's advocate with; it doesn't even make sense within the context of the game.

The primal trials start you in the arena, yes. So does Midas 4. Midas 1-3 start you outside the arena, and it is possible to be locked out so this might work. None of which is why I'm playing devil's advocate. Any change won't be introduced until the next raid tier, and it is not yet known to any of us how those fights will be set up. By the time this matters, nobody is going to care about Midas Savage, or possibly even Ravana and Bismark Extreme. They'll be old hat.

I am not opposed to cooldowns being reset when raiding. I am opposed to it being done in some half-assed manner that would break things or simply be more hassle than it's worth.

... (basically when the boss resets) ...

Such as this, which I addressed, and it has been countered.

Alternativly to prevent this type of exploit, they could remove all benefical abilties on the target as well as reset the cooldowns, which would solve everything that is exploitable about this anyway

And this would probably be the best alternative, in my opinion.