Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
Yes, people gravitates towards the least effort, but the more you ease everything, the more they ask for an easier way. That'exactly why the roulette was created, to ease tome farming. And people still complain...
Nobody is complaining about the "good" dungeons / trials / guildhests from their roulette.

Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
So, to avoid a potentially 40 minutes dungeon, they'll stay disconnected for 40 minutes ?
Real efficient !
To avoid wasting 40 minutes of their time for an awful reward, they'd rather go play another game or do something else more productive for 40 minutes. Is that something you want as a fan of this game? For people to go play another game? Because that's what punishment does. It forces people away. Why would they deal with getting punished in this game when they can go have fun and be rewarded in another?

Nothing is fun about punishment.

Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
So what ? We should feel sorry for those who don't want to finish a dungeon and just leave you there because the last part is not Xp efficient ? We should feel sorry for those who leave a 24-man raid when a boss doesn't drop the one thing they want or they just lose the roll ?
And what should we say to those penalized by that ? "Deal with it" ?
No, I am saying that rather than bad ideas, empty rhetoric, and demagoguing, that we should look at the problem from a rational and logical perspective rather than one filled with spite.

Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
What collateral damage ? If you take a penalty when purposely withdrawing or staying AFK for so long that the duty automatically kicks you out, how can you end up being a "collateral" damage ?
The collateral damage is the many people who genuinely need to leave a duty. It might be an emergency. It might be an unstable internet connection. There will be innocent people who are impacted by harsher leaver penalties.

Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
Of course they don't, since it costs them nothing apart from a little slap on the wrist. It's like in real life, If all you risk by breaking a rule is "Oh, that's not nice", then you'll just break it all the time.
I hate to make this political but your stance has been proven wrong in reality and in practice time and time again. The war on drugs is not working. The mass incarceration culture is not working. The police state is not working. Meanwhile you have numerous credible studies about the far better impact and effectiveness of positive reinforcement and rehabilitation. But no, you're a bitter, spiteful, petty little man who is more concerned with punishing people than the health of the game.