30 Minute Lockout for Leaving Roulette's isn't Working as Intended.

[Jpec07]

Yes, if the penalty was more harsh people wouldn't leave on their own accord. They'd force the rest of the group to kick them to get around it, by either:

A - Faking a D/C to be kicked.
B - Just standing there at the door waiting for you to get fed up and kick them.
C - Not healing, flashing, only auto attacking, again slowing down the run to a crawl till they are kicked.

Then what? Come and complain on the forums that vote to kick should be removed, or those that are kicked need to have a 12 hour penalty? 30 minutes for leaving is the most acceptable 'punishment' for leaving a duty. As other's have said most people go do something else like craft, gather, ect till their timer is up, and queue back in. One keeps players playing, (and therefor subbing) and the other would make subs vanish. Fewer players = longer queue times, and you are still 'stuck' with the wasted time you all are initially complaining about. It's a no win scenario, and guess what.. that's life.

And that's when you report them after you've vote-kicked them and completed the instance. If someone queued for a roulette and then decides to troll the group because they don't like the content they got, that is harassment, and is suitable grounds for being reported and, as other recent threads have shown, banned.

[Reynhart]

A - Faking a D/C to be kicked.
B - Just standing there at the door waiting for you to get fed up and kick them.
C - Not healing, flashing, only auto attacking, again slowing down the run to a crawl till they are kicked.

A - You realize that you purposely prevent yourself from playing just to avoid a duty that might be too long to your liking? You could decide to walk around with a beacon and a siren shouting "I'm a jerk", it would be less obvious.
B/C - Yes please, do that. Troll the duty that obviously so that people can report you while you're still in the Duty and really easy to track. Please, do it, I beg of you

[Dorander]

And that's when you report them after you've vote-kicked them and completed the instance. If someone queued for a roulette and then decides to troll the group because they don't like the content they got, that is harassment, and is suitable grounds for being reported and, as other recent threads have shown, banned.

The only one that could even remotely be punishable would be B, and that's only if they announced they wanted to be kicked and a screenshot was taken. Who knows? Maybe an IRL emergency happened and they had to run away from the computer/PS4? With A - SE would err on the side of caution. Not everyone has the most stable internet. and C - Bads play all the time and never get into any trouble. How are you to know they aren't impaired in some fashion and that's the best they can do?

That's why when you report people they investigate, and more often than not, if there isn't sufficient evidence for a ban they aren't going to do squat.

[Dorander]

A - You realize that you purposely prevent yourself from playing just to avoid a duty that might be too long to your liking? You could decide to walk around with a beacon and a siren shouting "I'm a jerk", it would be less obvious.
B/C - Yes please, do that. Troll the duty that obviously so that people can report you while you're still in the Duty and really easy to track. Please, do it, I beg of you

See my post right bellow yours, That should answer everything you have to say.

[Canadane]

If someone wants to stand by the door and not help, they can not help all the way to the final boss and get a kick there.
If they want to try to get out of wasting time, they can do it to the most extreme measure.

[Reynhart]

The only one that could even remotely be punishable would be B, and that's only if they announced they wanted to be kicked and a screenshot was taken. Who knows? Maybe an IRL emergency happened and they had to run away from the computer/PS4? With A - SE would err on the side of caution. Not everyone has the most stable internet. and C - Bads play all the time and never get into any trouble. How are you to know they aren't impaired in some fashion and that's the best they can do?

You're right, A should not be punishable. But since it prevents from playing your character for as long as you suppose the party won't kick you, it will be very fun to keep those players in the duty and kick them juuuust before ending the dungeon. The best part is that, by doing so, we're actually really nice to people that really have a connexion issue and couln't come back right away, while still pissing people who fake D/C. Perfect.

Don't worry, people can tell the difference between bad players and trolls, especially in duty roulette, where every content can be facerolled. Again, be my guest and do it.

Of course, putting a harsher penalty will not prevent everyone from leaving duties, but they'll do it when they really need to. And frankly, If I have a real emergeny, then I don't give a damn about what virtual penalty I can suffer in a video game...

Ilusion of the selfish, more like the naivety of the foolish.

Oh, and by the way, there's neither naivety or foolishness in our mindset. Helping other is not a abstract concept that we have no way of really experiencing. We can do it, and it does not prevent us from having fun in the game. It can even earn us some respect from a bunch of faceless strangers, or even create a true bond. That's how you meet people, and how you can find some linkshell, or compagnies to help you progress in the game.

[ShadowYomi]

I feel you are forgetting that if someone disconnected and see they are still there they simply may choose to stay disconnected until the timer runs out.

[Dorander]

Oh, and by the way, there's neither naivety or foolishness in our mindset. Helping other is not a abstract concept that we have no way of really experiencing. We can do it, and it does not prevent us from having fun in the game. It can even earn us some respect from a bunch of faceless strangers, or even create a true bond. That's how you meet people, and how you can find some linkshell, or compagnies to help you progress in the game.

Besides Savages and Seph EX, you don't need anyone else to 'help you progress' in the game. Duty Finder works perfect as is. You just 'want' or 'need' those people for some reason.

As for everything else: then all I can say is have fun doing all your dungeons short manned. It'll be rough, hopefully you don't get frustrated.

[Reynhart]

I feel you are forgetting that if someone disconnected and see they are still there they simply may choose to stay disconnected until the timer runs out.

So, to avoid a potentially 40 minutes dungeon, they'll stay disconnected for 40 minutes ?
Real efficient !

[MilesSaintboroguh]

There's a trope for that.