SAMURAI SHOWDOWN

[Alacran]

What I see is lot of people want to be the hero with the sword but not have the responsibility. God forbid that you have to do the hard part to be the guy (or girl) that gets top billing. Dark Knights, Paladins (Knights), Samurai, and Warriors all actually existed in history and have influenced fantasy since biblical times. One could say it's a tired trope, I see it as paying homage to the kid in all of us that pretended to wield a sword in the back yard as kids.

[Havvock]

In the anime Log Horizon, SAM is a tank.

[Nakiami]

I dunno, I can totally see Samurai being a tank.

It's original intention in XI was a tank with it's Seigan and Third Eye ability.

The player-base turned it into the DPS only that it is now.

Also doesn't help that Matsui kept giving it DPS abilities, though.

Though, I guess if you have to tank some how, it's through damage because of the enmity cap in that game.

Seigan was not an original ability for Samurai, it was added about 3'ish years later of Rise of the Zilart (Hasso was added at the same time).

But for the record Damage Dealer, because that's what I want it to be.

[Evangela]

The arguments I'm reading from some people who don't want Samurai as tank are most of them very weird (Not oly in this thread). Really. So, Samurai doesn't suit tanking, but blue mage or red mage yes? Some saying that "it is a waste put Samurai as Tank, like DRK"? What?

So, only the crap classes should be tanks, tanks cannot be cool classes. I can't believe what I read here... "Samurai is one of the favourites of most players, should be DPS, is it a waste if they put as tank..." Okay. Good, screw tanks, they have no right to have cool classes.

DPS has the "cooler" classes, like Ninja, Dragoon or Black Mage, but is not enoguh, you want all, Dark Knigth,Samurai, all. Tanks get teh scrap then?

Blue Mage and Red Mage should be damage dealers too.

[Jhett_Magnum]

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One iteration of BLU allowed it to learn skills through taking damage, and they did have access to heavy armor. Imagine using Raven's Decent, Doom, ?? Lv magic, Bad Breath, etc..
Also who's to say dragoon won't get "Lancet"? We might not even get BLU.

RDM is what I would think to be the ultimate solo class being able to heal them selves and deal damage. Which kinda sounds like what tanks are suppose to do. Although their appearance might seem like they can't tank i can see your point.

I main DRK and it is the Parry/Dodge/Anti Magic tank and if you can't see how similar it's kit is to SAM I'm actually curious how you expect it to bring something different.

Samurai can tank but it's niche been taken, people need to learn to deal with it and let go of XI.

[EdwinLi]

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I think you miss the bigger picture on why Sam should be something else other than a Tank.

As SAM can be easily seen as a Tank due to being one of the classes that can be easily given heavy Tank Armor it is also a bit linear in concept if only classes people can see wearing Heavy Armor can be Tanks.

To make a interesting Tank they need more than just Heavy Armor = Tank Job. They need to get creative on how a Tank works beyond Heavy Armor such as a Mage Tank using a Magic Barrier to protect itself with the Tank function focused on maintaining that Magic Barrier around him or her self as the Job mechanic through using skills and skills buffing the Magic Barrier strength or give it special effects for harming enemies near the Tank, debuffing them in certain ways, or even reflect damage back at them.

Red Mage or Blue Mage can become that type of Magic Barrier mechanic Tank Job which would be a interesting twist to a Tank job compared to the Heavy Armor type of Tank Job we have now.

They can even create a new type of light weight or cloth armor based on this new Magic Barrier Tank Job mechanic with this Mage Tank change the armor defense amount that would normally be on Cloth or light weight armors into a Heavy Armor amount through a Passive that infuse the cloth or light weight armor with Magic strengthening it into a Magic infused armor.

[MagiusNecros]

Why would you wish that on the community?

You realize how powerful SAM would need to be to do that? It just creates more problems because, now what's stopping SAM from MT?

What stops a WAR from MT?

[Xlantaa]

One iteration of BLU allowed it to learn skills through taking damage, and they did have access to heavy armor. Imagine using Raven's Decent, Doom, ?? Lv magic, Bad Breath, etc..
Also who's to say dragoon won't get "Lancet"? We might not even get BLU.

RDM is what I would think to be the ultimate solo class being able to heal them selves and deal damage. Which kinda sounds like what tanks are suppose to do. Although their appearance might seem like they can't tank i can see your point.

I main DRK and it is the Parry/Dodge/Anti Magic tank and if you can't see how similar it's kit is to SAM I'm actually curious how you expect it to bring something different.

Samurai can tank but it's niche been taken, people need to learn to deal with it and let go of XI.

I agree with you,too much people still have XI in mind and thinks XIV should be exactly the same. Like the thing about DRK using Scythes, when on ALL FF where Dark Knight appear they used swords, XI is the only one in which they use Scythes. But I read in a lot of sites people complaining that DRK doesn't use Scythes.

Well. I cannot think on a way how Samurai can be. Could be some kind of parry/dodge tank based on counter-attacks (I do not consider DRK as parry tank, cause is on 1 parry skill and 1 counter). Also a tank that can put bleed DoTs and debilitation debuffs. They can even create a full set of moves depeding on stance. Tank Stance uses 2 hand katana and have determined skill combos, mainly aggro combo. DPS stance, he get a second Katana and fight dual sword, having acces to a different kind of DPS combos. Making him somekind of Dancing stance Tank, more than others tanks. Who knows.

Probably SE will find a way, they always did.

I am not demaning Samurai tank, It is just my wish, but some of the post I read here seems like they demand is DPS or is shit.

Is it Samurai Tank? Good, that's What I like, I switch my main to Samurai liek I wanted since 2.0. Is it Samurai is DPS? Well, no problem, I just keep DRK and change my second class form ninja to Samurai. Nothing happends, no one died. Some people take it too personally here. But I was very upset some saying that tanks are boring and it is a waste use the good clases on them. As tank I find it very offensive.

[Gemina]

I think branch jobs are the answer. Or at least closer to finding one. Like sch/smn, the core values remain intact, but they clearly go into two different roles later on. With sam and rdm, they can start out as something along the lines of ronin and fencer, and then the player can choose which course they will go based on secondary class. Sam lover don't want to tank, he can go the dps route. Rdm wants to heal, she will need to level cnj for that type of soul stone.

I see no reason why the same job can't branch into two separate roles. It will simply queue differently based off the stone that's equipped. Anyone else foresee an issue with that?

[Kit-Kat]

I don't know if something like this was suggested before, but how about making hybrid classes? this also would work for healers. When I said hybrid, I didn't mean red mage-like from past games. But stances.
So a class can be both, dps and healer or dps and tank depending on the stance. Instead of adding different skills for each stance, you would use the same ones on both, but they would have different effects. To balance it more, when switching to tank/healer stance, damage calculation on skills would be lower like any MT/OT or healer atm.