SAMURAI SHOWDOWN

[Radacci]

I'm guessing you don't remember DF when 3.0 launched. It was nearly impossible for tanks to queue, and DPS had the easiest time for awhile.

that lasts for a week, then back to square one.

RDM (° ͜ʖ ͡°) and considering that RDM can cast spells, they could back off the boss when necessary. I think RDM is their most solid healer choice out of the remaining popular jobs: SAM, RDM, BLU, DNC, BST, and RNG. That's not to say they couldn't make an entirely new healer, which they might. I also think DNC makes for a really great melee support, which is currently missing. I've never really considered DNC to be a full blown healer in any game even in FFXI where it was more of a solo class that you could do small content with. Dances also seem better suited to functioning like BRD songs, giving the party an array of different buffs or giving the enemies debuffs. We also need a pure DPS ranged job, so I think RNG would fit this nicely.

what's the point of making rdm, healer? there's already whm. whm/rdm/blm are supposed to be different - well rdm is supposed to be able to do multiple roles, which isn't going to happen, so it's more likely it will be a melee caster.
there's no support jobs, only certain jobs with some utility skills. if they add dancer, it will be a dedicated healer or dps, or maybe merge with something else, and make a new job. (such as with ast)

[Jhett_Magnum]

Honestly just make SAM a tank class so FF fans can suffer the same pain DRK's do.

Make it OT as well so the WAR also has trouble finding a raid spot.

Why would you wish that on the community?

You realize how powerful SAM would need to be to do that? It just creates more problems because, now what's stopping SAM from MT?

[Alacran]

What I see is lot of people want to be the hero with the sword but not have the responsibility. God forbid that you have to do the hard part to be the guy (or girl) that gets top billing. Dark Knights, Paladins (Knights), Samurai, and Warriors all actually existed in history and have influenced fantasy since biblical times. One could say it's a tired trope, I see it as paying homage to the kid in all of us that pretended to wield a sword in the back yard as kids.

[Jhett_Magnum]

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One iteration of BLU allowed it to learn skills through taking damage, and they did have access to heavy armor. Imagine using Raven's Decent, Doom, ?? Lv magic, Bad Breath, etc..
Also who's to say dragoon won't get "Lancet"? We might not even get BLU.

RDM is what I would think to be the ultimate solo class being able to heal them selves and deal damage. Which kinda sounds like what tanks are suppose to do. Although their appearance might seem like they can't tank i can see your point.

I main DRK and it is the Parry/Dodge/Anti Magic tank and if you can't see how similar it's kit is to SAM I'm actually curious how you expect it to bring something different.

Samurai can tank but it's niche been taken, people need to learn to deal with it and let go of XI.

[Xlantaa]

One iteration of BLU allowed it to learn skills through taking damage, and they did have access to heavy armor. Imagine using Raven's Decent, Doom, ?? Lv magic, Bad Breath, etc..
Also who's to say dragoon won't get "Lancet"? We might not even get BLU.

RDM is what I would think to be the ultimate solo class being able to heal them selves and deal damage. Which kinda sounds like what tanks are suppose to do. Although their appearance might seem like they can't tank i can see your point.

I main DRK and it is the Parry/Dodge/Anti Magic tank and if you can't see how similar it's kit is to SAM I'm actually curious how you expect it to bring something different.

Samurai can tank but it's niche been taken, people need to learn to deal with it and let go of XI.

I agree with you,too much people still have XI in mind and thinks XIV should be exactly the same. Like the thing about DRK using Scythes, when on ALL FF where Dark Knight appear they used swords, XI is the only one in which they use Scythes. But I read in a lot of sites people complaining that DRK doesn't use Scythes.

Well. I cannot think on a way how Samurai can be. Could be some kind of parry/dodge tank based on counter-attacks (I do not consider DRK as parry tank, cause is on 1 parry skill and 1 counter). Also a tank that can put bleed DoTs and debilitation debuffs. They can even create a full set of moves depeding on stance. Tank Stance uses 2 hand katana and have determined skill combos, mainly aggro combo. DPS stance, he get a second Katana and fight dual sword, having acces to a different kind of DPS combos. Making him somekind of Dancing stance Tank, more than others tanks. Who knows.

Probably SE will find a way, they always did.

I am not demaning Samurai tank, It is just my wish, but some of the post I read here seems like they demand is DPS or is shit.

Is it Samurai Tank? Good, that's What I like, I switch my main to Samurai liek I wanted since 2.0. Is it Samurai is DPS? Well, no problem, I just keep DRK and change my second class form ninja to Samurai. Nothing happends, no one died. Some people take it too personally here. But I was very upset some saying that tanks are boring and it is a waste use the good clases on them. As tank I find it very offensive.

[Tanathya]

I agree with you,too much people still have XI in mind and thinks XIV should be exactly the same. Like the thing about DRK using Scythes, when on ALL FF where Dark Knight appear they used swords, XI is the only one in which they use Scythes. But I read in a lot of sites people complaining that DRK doesn't use Scythes.

I've seen (and took part in) many complaints about FFXIV's DRK, and let me tell you, none of them have been precisely about them not using scythes. Also, FF Explorers.

[Xlantaa]

I've seen (and took part in) many complaints about FFXIV's DRK, and let me tell you, none of them have been precisely about them not using scythes. Also, FF Explorers.

I know, It was a example. The major compalin is not being DPS or not being exatly like the "sacrifice" class who uses his Hp to enhaced damage, or how his tanking is. Things like that.

[MagiusNecros]

Why would you wish that on the community?

You realize how powerful SAM would need to be to do that? It just creates more problems because, now what's stopping SAM from MT?

What stops a WAR from MT?

[Gemina]

I think branch jobs are the answer. Or at least closer to finding one. Like sch/smn, the core values remain intact, but they clearly go into two different roles later on. With sam and rdm, they can start out as something along the lines of ronin and fencer, and then the player can choose which course they will go based on secondary class. Sam lover don't want to tank, he can go the dps route. Rdm wants to heal, she will need to level cnj for that type of soul stone.

I see no reason why the same job can't branch into two separate roles. It will simply queue differently based off the stone that's equipped. Anyone else foresee an issue with that?

[Kit-Kat]

I don't know if something like this was suggested before, but how about making hybrid classes? this also would work for healers. When I said hybrid, I didn't mean red mage-like from past games. But stances.
So a class can be both, dps and healer or dps and tank depending on the stance. Instead of adding different skills for each stance, you would use the same ones on both, but they would have different effects. To balance it more, when switching to tank/healer stance, damage calculation on skills would be lower like any MT/OT or healer atm.