Progression: Eos+AST vs Selene+WHM

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Personally, I think that fitting in 4 more GCD's per minute is totally plausible with pumping out a 20% healing buff to both your WHM/AST and Eos and using whispering dawn.

Except that Fey Illumination isn't a 60 second CD, but a 120 CD and has a 20 second duration. Not considering the effectiveness of the healing for now and assuming you chain cast your heals within the 20 seconds, you'd end up with 9.6 GCDs worth of healing or 1.6 GCD "saved". Whispering Dawn would save you 1 GCD at most, so Eos would be good for 3,6 GCDs/2 minute and assuming you use them whenever they're available.

In practice, however, using Whispering Dawn and Fey Illumination whenever they're up is rarely effective or required. Chances are you'll a good chunk of time on it and you'll spread them over the fight, rather than using them together. While the maximum GCD "saved" with Eos is 4 GCDs (rounded)/2 minutes, you'd need 8 GCDs within the same time frame to patch up for the lack of attack speed buff. Which can be used whenever it is available, unlike healing CDs.

[Kaurie]

Except that Fey Illumination isn't a 60 second CD, but a 120 CD and has a 20 second duration. Not considering the effectiveness of the healing for now and assuming you chain cast your heals within the 20 seconds, you'd end up with 9.6 GCDs worth of healing or 1.6 GCD "saved". Whispering Dawn would save you 1 GCD at most, so Eos would be good for 3,6 GCDs/2 minute and assuming you use them whenever they're available.

In practice, however, using Whispering Dawn and Fey Illumination whenever they're up is rarely effective or required. Chances are you'll a good chunk of time on it and you'll spread them over the fight, rather than using them together. While the maximum GCD "saved" with Eos is 4 GCDs (rounded)/2 minutes, you'd need 8 GCDs within the same time frame to patch up for the lack of attack speed buff. Which can be used whenever it is available, unlike healing CDs.

Not really sure I agree with your math, but I appreciate the response =)

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Not really sure I agree with your math, but I appreciate the response =)

Well, you're the one who said it's "plausible" without any proper presentation. So do tell me what's not to agree on about that, with the advantage given to Eos in all aspects?

[FoxyAreku]

Fey Wind was changed and does not affect spell speed and skill speed, but just attack speed (or recast time). Cast it on yourself and check your attributes, your spell speed remains unchanged.

Always assumed attack speed was a way of saying both, considering my casting speed goes down with fey.

[Rawrz]

It was changed when hw came out, when they buffed dot damage with ss. They probably didn't want whm and sch to double dip with pom and fey wind.

[KarstenS]

assuming you chain cast your heals within the 20 seconds

In theroy this sounds nice. In reality healing is not the same as DPSing.

Show me just one encounter where you do chaincast heals for 20 seconds without any downtime.

And when you chain cast heals for 20 seconds, why are the buffs of Eos not more useful? When a healer chaincast heals, its just about you need more potency. And in the most cases these situations should be short burst phases or you are OOM within a very short timeframe.

The usual ways to increase the overall potency is:

- More HoTs
- use buffs that directly increase the potency
- use buffs that lower the damage

3 things that Eos brings on the table. Selene brings just one single buff that could increase the output a little bit in some very rare situations.

Increasing spell speed is IMHO more a last option if nothing else is left. For example presence of mind. Except for stoneskin double prey in T10, I've always used this buff for DPS and never for healing.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

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Go back a few posts before even responding what the context is about, seriously.

edit: Heck, in the very same post, on the very next sentence, it was mentioned that it's not realistic to perform said assumption

[Rawrz]

3 things that Eos brings on the table. Selene brings just one single buff that could increase the output a little bit in some very rare situations.

Increasing spell speed is IMHO more a last option if nothing else is left. For example presence of mind. Except for stoneskin double prey in T10, I've always used this buff for DPS and never for healing.

Eos is a wonderful fairy, but we aren't comparing their healing abilities. Eos wins hands down. We are saying that Selene brings damage or healing increases (Flat GCD increase every 33 gcds) to everyone and overall benefits the party more, because even Lyrica's "perfect world for the sake of being as fair to Eos as possible" 4 GCDs is still less than what Selene can bring in that time. (8.75+GCDs bwteen Party + Selene + Pets)

[Jukebox12]

a raid fight is 3 mins to 10 mins depending on dps, HpS and how often mechs are done correctly fey wind is only a 3% boost in attack speed in a raid its between 9%-30% increase of attack speed it may seems a lot but it is really not I only use Selence if I am solo healing in a 4-man dungeon or my raid group wants the buff but if not I am using Eos just to help my co-healer Off-time and main-time when doing stuff

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

in a raid its between 9%-30% increase of attack speed

That's not how math works...