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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    Embrace is 300 potency and Rouse adds 40%. Add to that the fact that you can utilize skills like Fey Illumination and Whispering Dawn, meaning you can practically live in Cleric Stance even in big pulls if you use them along with buffs like e4e.
    Going further from what Kaurie said(She's also correct about pet potency nerf from 50 to 60), who uses Eos in Expert? xD Selene is your go to for speed runs and she handles the damage like a champ on her own (cool downs from a decent tank be willing.) In the new Dungeons she's also able to silence Banish III from the light sprites and other random trash mobs as well as a free AOE esuna, saving you a fair amount of GCDs that would have been spent healing or an aetherflow towards Indom instead of Energy Drain.
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrz View Post
    Going further from what Kaurie said(She's also correct about pet potency nerf from 50 to 60), who uses Eos in Expert? xD Selene is your go to for speed runs and she handles the damage like a champ on her own (cool downs from a decent tank be willing.) In the new Dungeons she's also able to silence Banish III from the light sprites and other random trash mobs as well as a free AOE esuna, saving you a fair amount of GCDs that would have been spent healing or an aetherflow towards Indom instead of Energy Drain.
    I do. The DPS increase from Fey Wind can be small but decent in 8 man content; in 4 man content it's negligible. I've found Silent Dusk to be very slow and unreliable unless you leave the fairy on Sic, in which case she'll blow it on the first cast bar she sees (whether it's affected by silence or not) because the AI isn't very bright about that kind of thing. Banish III is something your melee or tank should be stunning anyway if the Light Sprite even lives that long. If worst comes to worst, Fey Covenant reduces the amount of damage you take from it as does Virus. The AoE Leeches can be nice but it's extremely situational. There are very few times when I'd be removing a debuff from more than one person at a time anyway. Selene has her uses, but overall I find Eos lets me stay in Cleric Stance more reliably even when the tank is doing enormous pulls or the party is taking AoE damage. I don't need to blow a stack on Indom when I can preemptively have FI + WD up and let the regen effect heal them back up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hayward View Post
    This mentality has gotten to the point where I wouldn't be sorry to see the fairies' Cure potency cut by half whenever a SCH is in Cleric Stance. If you want to DPS full time, switch over to SMN.
    I don't get what the issue is. If I can do 850 DPS over the course of a dungeon and still keep the party healthy, what's the problem?
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    Last edited by Ashkendor; 04-22-2016 at 09:25 AM.

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    Lexia Lightress
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    I don't get what the issue is. If I can do 850 DPS over the course of a dungeon and still keep the party healthy, what's the problem?
    Hey if person wants to play healer and push as much dps as possible well good for them but they not happy with that a lot want to push their play style on others so if person doesn't play like them then they are considered bad players.
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    Hayward Timberwolf
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    Adamantoise
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post

    I don't get what the issue is. If I can do 850 DPS over the course of a dungeon and still keep the party healthy, what's the problem?
    The issue is that DPS has become, in the minds of too many, a requirement rather than an extra. SE not factoring in Healer damage potential (sorry Scholars, but you're healers. That's your lane) in endgame raids this time around is a testament to this and an attempt to atone for creating a mentality that upsets the concept of teamwork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hayward View Post
    The issue is that DPS has become, in the minds of too many, a requirement rather than an extra. SE not factoring in Healer damage potential (sorry Scholars, but you're healers. That's your lane) in endgame raids this time around is a testament to this and an attempt to atone for creating a mentality that upsets the concept of teamwork.
    I don't see how healer DPS uptime upsets the concept of teamwork at all. If anything, I feel that healers being able to DPS this way reinforces the concept of teamwork. Tank: uses a solid cooldown rotation. All four players: dodge and do mechanics correctly. Healer: gets free reign to DPS as well as keeping up their healing duties. All four players benefit from a faster clear. A tank not using cooldowns throws a definite wrench into healer DPS, as do DPS that stand in all the stupid. I'm well aware that I'm a healer, but the fact of the matter is that Scholar is very true to its Arcanist roots. Played correctly, you can be both a formidable damage dealer and a formidable healer and I'm still failing to see how that's any sort of problem at all.
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    I am all for the healer DPSing if the group is solid. If I'm on my WAR and I blow cooldowns and the DPS are dodging I've watched healers not even cast a heal till boss tank buster attacks.
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    Leanna Crawford
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Hayward View Post
    The issue is that DPS has become, in the minds of too many, a requirement rather than an extra. SE not factoring in Healer damage potential (sorry Scholars, but you're healers. That's your lane) in endgame raids this time around is a testament to this and an attempt to atone for creating a mentality that upsets the concept of teamwork.
    As a SCH I can let my fairy do all the healing on dungeons, even in Antitower and Lost City Hard (where I just need to heal in the second pull of Lost City).
    I arrived to 1k DPS in some dungeons, dealing more dps than our loldrg or lolbrd for example, I can't see nothing wrong with that (or maybe just one, if the healer deals all the dps of the party, the lazy DD won't learn how to do their job properly)
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