Question to healers

[Rawrz]

Most of the replies are telling me how great their heal and dps, I feel I have to let tank hp go as low as posisble now or I am not a good heal.^^;

Scholars have access to shields prepull (both stoneskin and adlo)
We have an endless supply of 200(+) potency heals.
Lustrate and indom are easily weaved after bio, aero, or if needed, ruin II.
Shields have a 50% less chance to over heal, at 50% less potency than a raw 600 potency heal.
Overheal is the devil and we have the tools to exorcise him >:] plus our dps and the preshields let us dps race damage incoming.

Our DPS helps to overcome mechanics (Dpsing Blaster in a6s at 950+ let's us push him easily to ignore a mine and mirage dps. Side note I hate the aoe phase for blaster, because I barely get out 2 bane ticks q.q fawk you holy)
I'll also always* use selene in group content to boost raid dps over my own.**

People want faster content and healers help.

*: unless eos does outweigh selene. Doesn't ever happen.
**: Selene boosts my dps as well.

[Auxilio]

Pretty much what most have said..

Being very VERY comfortable with my WHM, I know how much I'm healing for, vs the incoming damage to know how much more the tank can take.. so if I know there's some time available I'll try to throw some rocks at the enemy. I do understand the feelings from the tank's POV, especially if we're both strangers to each other.. so I probably just pop back to healing at around 50% of tank's HP since while I also want to make the run go faster, I also understand that throwing an additional rock isn't going to matter much and I'd rather be safer than sorry.

That's the general gist of it I guess, if some healers let the tank HP go down even lower, it just means they're more confident of their healing and want to truly maximise their damage. There are those flop ups by healers that do almost no healing (god knows why).. and that's pretty much a given that the healer went too far (or maybe it was the first pull and tank's HP dropped unexpectedly fast, but that's another topic)

[Gemina]

There is nothing wrong with healer contribution to DPS. I am all for dungeon runs going faster, but I also want mechanic heavy boss fights that forces SCH to heal more. Thus far, that is typically how it has been. But if anyone thinks I am going to prioritize DoTs over heals they are sorely mistaken. Not one time have I been able to leave ALL the healing up to my fairy. Even when using Eos.

But yeah, if you want more DPS out of me... stay out of AoE, come to the instance with updated gear, learn the mechanics and teach it to those who don't know them, tanks try to alleviate the healer stress as much as possible, etc. If you're taking stings to the face, I have to and WILL step up. Simple as that.

[Gemina]

@Karie, if Eos and Selene can't solo heal in these "easy" dungeons, can you explain to me how they are able to in expert content? Is it because I am forced to be main healer in four-man? Even if that's the case, why would my mitigation responsibility change? Like ever?

Please don't tell me shit hasn't hit the fan as sch during your time. These easy, boring, chore of a dungeon you speak of don't always go so smoothly. How fast is your run when someone drops while you're in cleric, and your 100% solo healing fairy didn't do her job?

I get the chore of grinding, but I'd like to know if sch wants to leave healing up to someone else while they dps, why play it at all. Almost sounds like a desire for quick queues, but I'm a cynical person.

[Kaurie]

@Karie, if Eos and Selene can't solo heal in these "easy" dungeons, can you explain to me how they are able to in expert content? Is it because I am forced to be main healer in four-man? Even if that's the case, why would my mitigation responsibility change? Like ever?

I am not sure if I am reading too much in to it, but your tone feels overly offensive. Moving on though...

Eos and Selene can more easily solo heal the current experts than the past 5 dungeons. Neverreap, Fractals, Arborteum, Aetherochemical Research Facility and Pharos hard all required a higher heals per second than the current two. Believe me, I have run these on my SCH many times while letting Eos/Selene solo heal. I often throw adlo/stone between pulls, but it isn't necessary - as when the pull is over the tank is often 70%+ on their HP. Now that said, there have been times that I do need to heal, and I've done it as such. It's just not usually/always the case.

Please don't tell me shit hasn't hit the fan as sch during your time. These easy, boring, chore of a dungeon you speak of don't always go so smoothly. How fast is your run when someone drops while you're in cleric, and your 100% solo healing fairy didn't do her job?

As for deaths, the only deaths I have witnessed in Expert so far has been 1. myself only when the DPS failed to get both of the wind aoe thingies in Lost City hard when I had the wind debuff - and 2. everyone died because the DPS did not kill the light thing on the 2nd boss in Lost City. Neither times did it have to do with Eos not keeping up with heals.

Other than that, shit hasn't hit the fan during the expert runs. It has during Seph EX and Savage - but I am actively healing and DPSing in both of those.

I get the chore of grinding, but I'd like to know if sch wants to leave healing up to someone else while they dps, why play it at all. Almost sounds like a desire for quick queues, but I'm a cynical person.

I am not leaving the healing up to another player during Expert. However, it is inefficient to heal when Eos could be doing it. Otherwise Eos will just sit there and do nothing - or I will sit there and do nothing - so I DPS. In most runs, I contribute ~30% of the DPS. Where the DPS breakdown is 900 top dps, 850 me, 800 bottom DPS give or take for a total of 2550 DPS. I could go on my SMN and it will be 1500 me, 800 other DPS and the healer doesn't for a total of 2300 DPS. So I go on SCH to make up for the other scrub players, and not for the quick queues. In fact, my healer queues have been pretty long lately (like 10+ minutes often). Further, I generally queue as a SCH as it the job I find the most fun. It's not always throwing out the same rotation of damage, and not throwing out the same cure 1 spell over and over - it feels the most dynamic, so it is the one i gear up and play as my main.

In regards to leaving heals to someone else, in my Savage and SephEX runs - I contribute (between Eos and I) 45% of the heals generally, while my AST co-healer does 53% or so (2% is with self heals on the tanks). I also contribute anywhere from 150-600 DPS while in the main fights. I feel that I do a fairly good balance of both healing and DPS when it matters. The issue is in expert, it doesn't matter, so I DPS 100%.

[Lemuria]

My golden rule is 50%. When the tank tips that low, I'll switch out of stance and heal them. There are a few exceptions, such as mobs which I know can hit for 60%+ but those are thankfully rare. The main reason I choose 50% is because if I'm caught on timer for Cleric stance (5 seconds recast) or otherwise between skills it gives me some time to heal before it gets critical. Trying to quick-swap when the tank is in dire straits is never a good idea, since even the best of us can be caught short.

Eos and Selene can more easily solo heal the current experts than the past 5 dungeons.

As a scholar myself, I can tell you that this is absolute tripe. No scholar worth a damn uses only their pets to heal in anything except <50 content. For a start, Eos and Selene only start healing when the tank is around 80%, secondly Embrace's healing strength doesn't even match up to a basic cure/physick spell.

Even assuming you micro-manage every single skill in addition to being a perma DPS, unless your tank only pulls one group at a time (which realistically never happens unless they're new), there will be more damage than your pet can keep up with. It'd be like a weakened WHM that never uses Cure II and relies on Medica II regens instead.

[Kaurie]

As a scholar myself, I can tell you that this is absolute tripe. No scholar worth a damn uses only their pets to heal in anything except <50 content. For a start, Eos and Selene only start healing when the tank is around 80%, secondly Embrace's healing strength doesn't even match up to a basic cure/physick spell.

Even assuming you micro-manage every single skill in addition to being a perma DPS, unless your tank only pulls one group at a time (which realistically never happens unless they're new), there will be more damage than your pet can keep up with. It'd be like a weakened WHM that never uses Cure II and relies on Medica II regens instead.

Eh that isn't true. I've definitely done expert roulette with just the pet healing. This is very tank dependent (size of pulls + cooldown mitigation). Larger pulls usually mean that I need to throw in 1-2 heals per pull, but this is also mitigation dependent. Embrace's cure matches well when you throw up Rouse and even moreso when you add in Fey Illum.

[Rawrz]

For a start, Eos and Selene only start healing when the tank is around 80%, secondly Embrace's healing strength doesn't even match up to a basic cure/physick spell.

Even assuming you micro-manage every single skill in addition to being a perma DPS, unless your tank only pulls one group at a time (which realistically never happens unless they're new), there will be more damage than your pet can keep up with. It'd be like a weakened WHM that never uses Cure II and relies on Medica II regens instead.

You mean.... there are Scholars... that don't micromanage Embrace a tank when they are above 80%... I didn't think.. I didn't think that was an option. xD jk

I'll lustrate for a tank who doesn't pop their invincibility buffs (or drks that do.) for the pull from the start of ampa expert to butterflies. Worst case (bad tank) lustrate, adlo, emergency tactics adlo then back to cs. Virus, E4E, Selene , preshields, and rouse are usually enough, with a weaved lustrate or indom then straight back to cleric stance, if it's 100% necessary.For extra dps I'll even have enough time to dissipate Selene, in most cases, towards the end of each boss. Selene does a pretty great job keeping up, because of all the cast bar animations/mechanics most bosses do. She esunas and like I've said can even silence in a few cases (interrupt macro does help but you have to spam it.)

Lustrate is used much more frequently than adlo or physick especially (almost never) if I do actually need to heal during combat.

[Gemina]

I apologize for my tone Kaurie, sometimes things don't sound as abrasive in my head as they do to others. You say you enjoy sch and your are mitigating. I haven't reached this content yet, which is why I inquire and want to be enlightened. I will be evaluating this content though when I reach it, and will see how much of it my fairy can handle on her own. I'll be contributing heavily with such threads at that time I assure you.

However, if you're healing and mitigating as much as you say, I fail to see how you're staying in cleric for the majority of an instance. Our fairies are not equipped to handle heavy incoming AoE on their own. They need our help in these inevitable situations.

[Kaurie]

I apologize for my tone Kaurie, sometimes things don't sound as abrasive in my head as they do to others. You say you enjoy sch and your are mitigating. I haven't reached this content yet, which is why I inquire and want to be enlightened. I will be evaluating this content though when I reach it, and will see how much of it my fairy can handle on her own. I'll be contributing heavily with such threads at that time I assure you.

However, if you're healing and mitigating as much as you say, I fail to see how you're staying in cleric for the majority of an instance. Our fairies are not equipped to handle heavy incoming AoE on their own. They need our help in these inevitable situations.

It is instance dependent. As I mentioned, the 2 newest expert dungeons require less healing than previous dungeons (on the order of about 30-50%). The previous dungeons were already tuned quite lightly on healing, where I could get through a dungeon in cleric stance 60%+ of the time.

On release, I'd say I haven't experience dungeons quite as light on healing as the two new ones since Brayflox normal (level 32 zone).

To give you an idea - the total DPS to the tank over the run is around ~400 (vs ~1000 in the past 5 dungeons). Embrace, the pets heal, does 1500 unboosted, per 3 seconds - or 500 HPS. So, the pet, unboosted, can keep up with the overall damage to the tank. That said, there are spikes and lulls in damage. Some spikes do require the use of Rouse on your pet, or for me to pop out of cleric and throw an adlo.

There is also a lot more to healing than just healing - a lot of it is mitigation. Good use of things such as Shadowflare which slows enemies and does DPS + Eye for an Eye which procs a 10% damage reduction on enemies, make a huge difference. White Mages and AST both have an AoE stun which completely stops all damage for ~7 seconds.