Does Adloquium need a minor fix?

[Eloah]

Broil also has a crazy MP cost when compared with Stone II.

While Aldo may be more expensive remember that Scholars MP regeneration tends to be a lot better than the other healers.

Rather than nerf Aetherflow SE might just give Scholar overpriced spells to compensate.

You and LDR got what I was saying, thank you, lol. And yeah because of the MP regeneration and Aetherflow, that could be why Adlo cost more, I just wish it Crit more for me, T.T

Also while Broil might have the same potency as Stone 2 it actually compared with Stone 3, as odd as that may sound. The reason Stone 3 has the higher potency is because WHM are supposed to be better at burst damage, while Broil is the new filler spell for Scholars. When compareing all of the "burst" healer spells its Broil, Stone 3, & Malefic 2, then Ruin, Stone 2, Malefic, and then Ruin 2, Stone, & Stella. While MP costs and potencies might be a factor to some degree, the best way of comparing is where the skill is placed in ones damage rotation, and what the purpose of the skill is.

Of course I could be wrong and say "you aren't taking into acount the entire kit, Scholars this and WHM that, oh and Astro something or other" lol.

You can't compare skills alone, you need to compare all the package. N.AST vs SCH with Fairy then you can see how trash is N.AST compared to SCH.

You missed my point entirely.

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Again I didnt include Deployment Tactics because it was irrelevant to the purpose of this post. The main purpose of this post is comparing Aspected Benefic, in both Astro sects to the equivalent skill on the other healer. I am not comparing entire kits, because its not the focus. I was more or less wondering why the shield from Astro is stronger, when the cast is instant and the MP cost is so much lower, especially when Scholars should have the "stronger" shield. Plus I indicated that my Adlos like never crit anymore, which is irksome. Is Adlo balanced with Scholars entire kit, yes, is it balanced with its equivalent skill from another job no, that was all, I was just pointing out how odd it seemed. And an Astros sects have great synergy with the entire kit, if utilized properly. I am aware of MP, Aetherflow, the fairy all of that stuff, as I said to start, I MAIN SCHOLAR.

[Katlyna]

I didn't forget the pet, the pet was just irrelevant to the skills I was comparing. And Nocturnal Sect doesn't suck, it just has a bad rap from its past incarnation.

That's the problem though the pet is NOT irrelevant in skill comparison. The pet is relevant when comparing all skills, because it is indeed part of the scholar package. While casting Adloquium your pet is indeed simultaneously casting Embrace (you can even directly macro this to each of your skills if you want to direct the pet heals).

Both of the other healers do NOT have this so they have to have larger heals (or vastly greater utility built into GCs) in order to even begin to compensate. Also mana costs are highly dependent on mana recovery methods, which are quite different between the classes.

[NorthernLadMSP]

So, basically this is a thread about the fact that Noc Ast has literally one single advantage over Scholar, so OP is asking for a buff to Adlo to take away that one advantage.

[Jamillion]

So, basically this is a thread about the fact that Noc Ast has literally one single advantage over Scholar, so OP is asking for a buff to Adlo to take away that one advantage.

Yeah, pretty much. Class balance is decided by the entire toolkit, OP, so stop calling the rest of the toolkit irrelevant when discussing class balance.

[Eloah]

For the love of.... I'm done, I got the answers I sought. Thank you everyone who posted, I will leave you to debate about how I "didn't get it" or whatever. Here are some gifs to amuse you...

[Kaurie]

As others are saying there are plenty of other factors at play - such as free healing from a fairy, and aetherflow + energy drain returning back MP.

Personally, I find I crit adequately - I have over 800 CRIT atm though.

[Eloah]

As others are saying there are plenty of other factors at play - such as free healing from a fairy, and aetherflow + energy drain returning back MP.

Personally, I find I crit adequately - I have over 800 CRIT atm though.

I am aware what others are saying, they just seem to be missing what I am saying. LDR, the first person to respond answered my inquiry. Mostly everyone else, just had to point out what I didn't take into account, which if my question was read correctly, people would of got that that I didn't take those things into account because they weren't needed. I mean come on, the FIRST person to respond got it on the nose, why couldn't everyone else.

Oh... erm... I mean, I'm done, maybe...

[Jamillion]

I am aware what others are saying, they just seem to be missing what I am saying. LDR, the first person to respond answered my inquiry. Mostly everyone else, just had to point out what I didn't take into account, which if my question was read correctly, people would of got that that I didn't take those things into account because they weren't needed. I mean come on, the FIRST person to respond got it on the nose, why couldn't everyone else.

Oh... erm... I mean, I'm done, maybe...

Everyone got what you were saying, it was just a stupid question.

[Eloah]

Everyone got what you were saying, it was just a stupid question.

So asking for an opinion is stupid, good to know. Especially on a forum with nothing but opinions, most not even asked for.

[Ghishlain]

I don't think it needs any adjustment at all and here's my rational.

• At naked 354 CRIT, Adlo has a higher total eHP restored than AST (663 for SCH vs 614 for AST). SCH shield loses at 327 potency vs AST shield at 347 potency.
• At 548 CRIT, Adlo's shield on average begins to match AST's shield strength (both at 355). SCH's shield when it does Crit is 14.58% higher than AST shields. SCH's total eHP potency continues to remain higher for obvious math reasons.
• At 800 CRIT, Adlo's shield on average is about 8% higher than their AST counterpart. When it does CRIT, SCH shields is about 76.47% more potent than AST shields.

You can find the math for this here. This is assuming that crit potency multiplier of 1.5 was out right replaced by a scaling multiplier that can drop below 1.5 now.

It's more random, but overall the potency you get outta SCH is higher than AST. Use AST shields for consistency, SCH shields for better long term average. The MP cost might be something of consideration since the AST MP restoration is absolutely absurd at this point but AST should be consuming more MP overall to do the same potency in healing over time versus SCH.