Does Adloquium need a minor fix?

[Eloah]

Okay so I main Scholar, love it, but something odd crept into my mind while I was running aroud rown today.

Ast has Aspected Benefic which is the equivalent skill to Regen or Adlo depending on the sect. In Diurnal Sect for 707 MP you do a 190 instant heal and a 140 HoT for 18 seconds. Compare that to Regen for and instant 150 HoT for 21 seconds for 618 MP. Now while not entirely equal the skills seem balanced since the MP costs are different and Regen gives an added 210 potency heal that isn't upfront but over time.

Now lets compare it to Adloquium. In Nocturnal Sect Aspected Benefic does a 250 potency instant heal and erects a barrier that is 130% of that heal. So if the heal is 3000, the barrier is 3900, and if it crits to lets say 4000 the barrier is 5200, not bad for an instant shield that only costs 707 MP. Now compare that to Adloquium, whose cost is over 1000 MP, 1030 I think. The spell isn't instant, and whose main mechanic is dependant on it criting; which I can't speak for everyone else, but since SE has released HW, my adlos barely crit anymore.

Does anyone else feel Adlo should maybe be altered slightly to fix this? Not saying anything drastic, maybe something as simple as a slightly lower MP cost, or adjusting the % of when adlo will crit. Not saying the skills are broken just that the discrepancy just seems a little odd to me.

[LDR]

the discrepancy is basically left over details from AST's past life

originally the lower MP cost was due to lower potency vs comparative spells etc [benefic was weaker than cure/physick etc], and the shield only did 100% iirc

people complained ofc and fought for buffs, and got, same potency whilst retaining the lower MP cost, and at some point the boost to 130% shield as they aruged that if N.AST is meant to "replace" SCH in a fight, it needs something to match with the Crit Adlo = Double strength shield, so SE gave it a flat boost.

Since no one since has said SCH is weak, not even compared to N.AST (you will see everywhere a lot still say N.AST is useless/forgetable compared to SCH) and so i guess thats why its been left alone


i mean, theres also the fact that a lot of SCH mains were(still are?) afraid if they bring up Adlo AT ALL, SE will shaft the crit bonus down the drain (since all game changes hint towards them regretting that crit effect)

so
yeah

but Adlo could maybe use something minor, though idk where to begin.

[Kaisha]

Besides Nocturnal being terrible in general, you forgot Scholar has a pet that's constantly hitting Embrace in relevant content.

[Eloah]

Besides Nocturnal being terrible in general, you forgot Scholar has a pet that's constantly hitting Embrace in relevant content.

I didn't forget the pet, the pet was just irrelevant to the skills I was comparing. And Nocturnal Sect doesn't suck, it just has a bad rap from its past incarnation.

[AlphaSonic]

I didn't forget the pet, the pet was just irrelevant to the skills I was comparing. And Nocturnal Sect doesn't suck, it just has a bad rap from its past incarnation.

You can't compare skills alone, you need to compare all the package. N.AST vs SCH with Fairy then you can see how trash is N.AST compared to SCH.

[Katlyna]

I didn't forget the pet, the pet was just irrelevant to the skills I was comparing. And Nocturnal Sect doesn't suck, it just has a bad rap from its past incarnation.

That's the problem though the pet is NOT irrelevant in skill comparison. The pet is relevant when comparing all skills, because it is indeed part of the scholar package. While casting Adloquium your pet is indeed simultaneously casting Embrace (you can even directly macro this to each of your skills if you want to direct the pet heals).

Both of the other healers do NOT have this so they have to have larger heals (or vastly greater utility built into GCs) in order to even begin to compensate. Also mana costs are highly dependent on mana recovery methods, which are quite different between the classes.

[Eloah]

For the love of.... I'm done, I got the answers I sought. Thank you everyone who posted, I will leave you to debate about how I "didn't get it" or whatever. Here are some gifs to amuse you...

[DarkmoonVael]

I didn't forget the pet, the pet was just irrelevant to the skills I was comparing. And Nocturnal Sect doesn't suck, it just has a bad rap from its past incarnation.

The pet is not irrelevant. You need to really compare adlo+embrace vs N.A.Ben. Also adlo can be interacted with via deployment tactics. Nothing interacts with N.A.Ben in an AST toolkit in any way thats beneficial (healing boosts aside).

I think adlo is fine. A deployed adlo is filthy. A emergency tactics crit adlo (they sometimes happen......sometimes) is super filthy. A deployed crit adlo is just OMG \o/.

[Supersun]

Broil also has a crazy MP cost when compared with Stone II.

While Aldo may be more expensive remember that Scholars MP regeneration tends to be a lot better than the other healers.

Rather than nerf Aetherflow SE might just give Scholar overpriced spells to compensate.

[Eloah]

Broil also has a crazy MP cost when compared with Stone II.

While Aldo may be more expensive remember that Scholars MP regeneration tends to be a lot better than the other healers.

Rather than nerf Aetherflow SE might just give Scholar overpriced spells to compensate.

You and LDR got what I was saying, thank you, lol. And yeah because of the MP regeneration and Aetherflow, that could be why Adlo cost more, I just wish it Crit more for me, T.T

Also while Broil might have the same potency as Stone 2 it actually compared with Stone 3, as odd as that may sound. The reason Stone 3 has the higher potency is because WHM are supposed to be better at burst damage, while Broil is the new filler spell for Scholars. When compareing all of the "burst" healer spells its Broil, Stone 3, & Malefic 2, then Ruin, Stone 2, Malefic, and then Ruin 2, Stone, & Stella. While MP costs and potencies might be a factor to some degree, the best way of comparing is where the skill is placed in ones damage rotation, and what the purpose of the skill is.

Of course I could be wrong and say "you aren't taking into acount the entire kit, Scholars this and WHM that, oh and Astro something or other" lol.

You can't compare skills alone, you need to compare all the package. N.AST vs SCH with Fairy then you can see how trash is N.AST compared to SCH.

You missed my point entirely.

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Again I didnt include Deployment Tactics because it was irrelevant to the purpose of this post. The main purpose of this post is comparing Aspected Benefic, in both Astro sects to the equivalent skill on the other healer. I am not comparing entire kits, because its not the focus. I was more or less wondering why the shield from Astro is stronger, when the cast is instant and the MP cost is so much lower, especially when Scholars should have the "stronger" shield. Plus I indicated that my Adlos like never crit anymore, which is irksome. Is Adlo balanced with Scholars entire kit, yes, is it balanced with its equivalent skill from another job no, that was all, I was just pointing out how odd it seemed. And an Astros sects have great synergy with the entire kit, if utilized properly. I am aware of MP, Aetherflow, the fairy all of that stuff, as I said to start, I MAIN SCHOLAR.