Does Adloquium need a minor fix?

[Eloah]

Okay so I main Scholar, love it, but something odd crept into my mind while I was running aroud rown today.

Ast has Aspected Benefic which is the equivalent skill to Regen or Adlo depending on the sect. In Diurnal Sect for 707 MP you do a 190 instant heal and a 140 HoT for 18 seconds. Compare that to Regen for and instant 150 HoT for 21 seconds for 618 MP. Now while not entirely equal the skills seem balanced since the MP costs are different and Regen gives an added 210 potency heal that isn't upfront but over time.

Now lets compare it to Adloquium. In Nocturnal Sect Aspected Benefic does a 250 potency instant heal and erects a barrier that is 130% of that heal. So if the heal is 3000, the barrier is 3900, and if it crits to lets say 4000 the barrier is 5200, not bad for an instant shield that only costs 707 MP. Now compare that to Adloquium, whose cost is over 1000 MP, 1030 I think. The spell isn't instant, and whose main mechanic is dependant on it criting; which I can't speak for everyone else, but since SE has released HW, my adlos barely crit anymore.

Does anyone else feel Adlo should maybe be altered slightly to fix this? Not saying anything drastic, maybe something as simple as a slightly lower MP cost, or adjusting the % of when adlo will crit. Not saying the skills are broken just that the discrepancy just seems a little odd to me.

[LDR]

the discrepancy is basically left over details from AST's past life

originally the lower MP cost was due to lower potency vs comparative spells etc [benefic was weaker than cure/physick etc], and the shield only did 100% iirc

people complained ofc and fought for buffs, and got, same potency whilst retaining the lower MP cost, and at some point the boost to 130% shield as they aruged that if N.AST is meant to "replace" SCH in a fight, it needs something to match with the Crit Adlo = Double strength shield, so SE gave it a flat boost.

Since no one since has said SCH is weak, not even compared to N.AST (you will see everywhere a lot still say N.AST is useless/forgetable compared to SCH) and so i guess thats why its been left alone


i mean, theres also the fact that a lot of SCH mains were(still are?) afraid if they bring up Adlo AT ALL, SE will shaft the crit bonus down the drain (since all game changes hint towards them regretting that crit effect)

so
yeah

but Adlo could maybe use something minor, though idk where to begin.

[Kaisha]

Besides Nocturnal being terrible in general, you forgot Scholar has a pet that's constantly hitting Embrace in relevant content.

[Eloah]

Besides Nocturnal being terrible in general, you forgot Scholar has a pet that's constantly hitting Embrace in relevant content.

I didn't forget the pet, the pet was just irrelevant to the skills I was comparing. And Nocturnal Sect doesn't suck, it just has a bad rap from its past incarnation.

[Supersun]

Broil also has a crazy MP cost when compared with Stone II.

While Aldo may be more expensive remember that Scholars MP regeneration tends to be a lot better than the other healers.

Rather than nerf Aetherflow SE might just give Scholar overpriced spells to compensate.

[Zaj_Quilos]

I thought Aspected Benefic shields weren't effected by Crit?

[Ashelia_Ferron]

I thought Aspected Benefic shields weren't effected by Crit?

They don't get the double potency, but a Crit shield will still block more since the heal was greater

[AlphaSonic]

I didn't forget the pet, the pet was just irrelevant to the skills I was comparing. And Nocturnal Sect doesn't suck, it just has a bad rap from its past incarnation.

You can't compare skills alone, you need to compare all the package. N.AST vs SCH with Fairy then you can see how trash is N.AST compared to SCH.

[_slowpoke_]

You forgot the one critical detail that makes Adlo infinitely more potent than N.AB: Deployment Tactics. Yes, you can only do that once every two minutes, but it will result in a shield on the entire groups that Nocturnal ASTs can't even dream of (N.AH is a joke compared to deployed Adlos, even non-crit ones). Plus, the entire kit of N.AST is just... lackluster. It's all over the place, there's barely any synergy between the different parts of the kit, it just feels tacked on (compared to D.AST which actually has a lot of internal synergy). It works well in PvP I guess, but that's it.

So, yes, if you compare these two skills in absolute isolation, N.AB is probably better, but if you look at them in the context of their respective job's entire kit, then Nocturnal AST is still hugely inferior to SCH and cannot compete for its raid slot outside of very specific situations.

[Jamillion]

It's pointless to compare individual skills in a vacuum.