Does Adloquium need a minor fix?

[Kaurie]

I am aware what others are saying, they just seem to be missing what I am saying. LDR, the first person to respond answered my inquiry. Mostly everyone else, just had to point out what I didn't take into account, which if my question was read correctly, people would of got that that I didn't take those things into account because they weren't needed. I mean come on, the FIRST person to respond got it on the nose, why couldn't everyone else.

Oh... erm... I mean, I'm done, maybe...

You were discussing the comparative values of MP cost when excluding the other aspects of MP usage and MP regen attributed between the 3 which applies to the overall class balance. I understood your post fine. You also just ignored the fact that Adlo is significantly better than AST aspected benefic due to CRITs (not to mention, ok I am mentioning it, deployment)

As an aside, it's fairly frustrating that you post asking for peoples opinions - but anyone who has a varied opinion to your own 'doesn't understand you'

[Eloah]

As an aside, it's fairly frustrating that you post asking for peoples opinions - but anyone who has a varied opinion to your own 'doesn't understand you'

The majority of people who answered didnt give me an opinion, they gave me a, "you forgot to take this into account" response. I have no problem with someone saying "I disagree, because of this and that", some people even did that. I wasn't taking the other utility into account because I wanted the skills to be taken at face value, based on all of the factors in that one skill alone.

[Katlyna]

The majority of people who answered didnt give me an opinion, they gave me a, "you forgot to take this into account" response. I have no problem with someone saying "I disagree, because of this and that", some people even did that. I wasn't taking the other utility into account because I wanted the skills to be taken at face value, based on all of the factors in that one skill alone.

Its not that you "forgot" is that you said you intentionally removed it as a factor. The problem being your discussion at that point is kind of in the dirt from most folks who are interested in theory craft (not everyone, but I would estimate a majority). Consequently you got the feedback that... your question is simply not interesting if you're going to ignore the pet.

Likewise this induces some rage, because in many ways Noct Astro is still NOTABLY deficit in comparison to Scholars. So much that securing a healer slot in a savage raid in the Scholar slot is virtually impossible (and possibly foolish). As some have pointed out Noct Astro's do have some advantages, the biggest being their kit has higher mobile healing than a scholar (due to the instant cast shield, lightspeed and Essential Dignity) Likewise Astros have the double heal-mode of Synastry. But again the problem falls that in current raid content Scholars ability to do their full DPS, while the pet sub heals causes all healers interested in their slot to fall VASTLY short. Anyway for better or worse this triggers some rage when a scholar says hey... like what they have, can I get a buff in that direction? So you can look and get huggles... but you probably should walk some Noct Astro's shoes to understand why their skills are tuned the way they are. Or ask why they are ;-) That would have worked to if you asked why there was such a deficit between the two skills in mana cost (and instant cast).

[Einheri]

The majority of people who answered didnt give me an opinion, they gave me a, "you forgot to take this into account" response. I have no problem with someone saying "I disagree, because of this and that", some people even did that. I wasn't taking the other utility into account because I wanted the skills to be taken at face value, based on all of the factors in that one skill alone.

You asked people if they shared your feeling that a spell should receive a minor buff because compared in a vacuum you feel them to be imbalanced. When people brought up the fairy and other aspects of class balance you dismissed them as not being valid in the comparison you wanted to make to prove your point. You sir should host a cable news show.

[Ghishlain]

I don't think it needs any adjustment at all and here's my rational.

• At naked 354 CRIT, Adlo has a higher total eHP restored than AST (663 for SCH vs 614 for AST). SCH shield loses at 327 potency vs AST shield at 347 potency.
• At 548 CRIT, Adlo's shield on average begins to match AST's shield strength (both at 355). SCH's shield when it does Crit is 14.58% higher than AST shields. SCH's total eHP potency continues to remain higher for obvious math reasons.
• At 800 CRIT, Adlo's shield on average is about 8% higher than their AST counterpart. When it does CRIT, SCH shields is about 76.47% more potent than AST shields.

You can find the math for this here. This is assuming that crit potency multiplier of 1.5 was out right replaced by a scaling multiplier that can drop below 1.5 now.

It's more random, but overall the potency you get outta SCH is higher than AST. Use AST shields for consistency, SCH shields for better long term average. The MP cost might be something of consideration since the AST MP restoration is absolutely absurd at this point but AST should be consuming more MP overall to do the same potency in healing over time versus SCH.

[Eloah]

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I want to transfer to your server, just to hug you right now, lol. Thank you for getting that I'm asking peoples opinions, not complaining.

[StouterTaru]

At 800 CRIT, Adlo's shield on average is about 8% higher than their AST counterpart. When it does CRIT, SCH shields is about 76.47% more potent than AST shields.

Adlo shield gets doubled after the crit is figured in, so if adlo has a bigger shield, then a crit adlo will have more than twice the shield.

[Ghishlain]

So, basically this is a thread about the fact that Noc Ast has literally one single advantage over Scholar, so OP is asking for a buff to Adlo to take away that one advantage.

I wouldn't short change Noct AST that much, there are a few situations where Noct AST will excel over a SCH and vice versa. Overall SCH is better but saying "Single advantage" is doing Noct AST a total disservice.

I want to transfer to your server, just to hug you right now, lol. Thank you for getting that I'm asking peoples opinions, not complaining.

lol, digital hugs acceptable =p *Pets da Lala*

Adlo shield gets doubled after the crit is figured in, so if adlo has a bigger shield, then a crit adlo will have more than twice the shield.

I'm not sure I understand your comment. I am factoring in the double shield effect after Crit and Crit potency multiplier unless there's something wrong with my formula that I'm not seeing.

[StouterTaru]

I'm not sure I understand your comment. I am factoring in the double shield effect after Crit and Crit potency multiplier unless there's something wrong with my formula that I'm not seeing.

The phrasing just didn't register properly with me, I compared it with the scratch pad and it makes sense now.

[NorthernLadMSP]

I wouldn't short change Noct AST that much, there are a few situations where Noct AST will excel over a SCH and vice versa. Overall SCH is better but saying "Single advantage" is doing Noct AST a total disservice.

Please keep in mind when I say this, that I'm in no way being snarky or sarcastic. But, what other advantages do you feel they have? The only one I can think of is spammable Helios in fights where there is a lot of AOE damage going out consistently. But, normally those situations only happen in Alex or Extreme Primals where you usually have a co-healer.