Anima Relic

[Berethos]

I think when Berethos said difficult they didnt mean it as you think it does.

Less literally impossible, and more that it requires a greater amount of steps and more time spent on that step than someone who has already done the crafting and gathering, and how that affects a persons perception of how difficult that step is. If you consider obtaining the items as a journey of 10 miles, you could consider those who already have all their crafting and gathering classes at 60 as being halfway there already versus those who don't and who are back at the start (don't read too much into the specifics of that analogy, it's far from perfect)...and so depending on who you ask, you'll get a different answer as to how difficult they feel it will be to reach the end.

Also, I think Nyalia is pretty much spot on as to how we will likely see the nerfs to the process. Things like boosted drop rates for the crystals are a good possibility (which doesn't need much as is, but it could be one way of them adjusting it), and I'm thinking maybe giving two currency from the beast tribe dailies instead of one as another possible change (though even a small change like that would speed things up considerably...you'd go from 3 per tribe per day to 6 per tribe per day - right now you get 3 unidentified items over 13 days from each ARR beast tribe...that one small change would double that, with you getting 6 unidentified items per beast tribe ever 13 days from just that source alone, which in the long run changes beast tribes from about 80 days to just over 40 if you only used it as an option).

Basically, expect to have to get the same stuff you do now, but the rate of acquisition will change at some point.

[Whiteroom]

The differences in the difficulty of that step is a bouns for those who have their craft/gather to 60. It takes a heck of a lot more work to get those classes to that level, than the benefit you get as well. The real bouns is being able to sell the product anyway.

I didn't craft or gather for those and that part of the quest was by far the easiest. There isn't much easier than being prepared and buying them off the MB or from someone selling them in PF. There is no difficulty at all in buying them of the MB, so really, the savings crafters get from making their own is the bonus.

But in the end you are really just pointing out that someone who comes prepared will find the step easier, which is the same for everything.

[Berethos]

But in the end you are really just pointing out that someone who comes prepared will find the step easier, which is the same for everything.

Which no one should have to point out, since it is pretty dang obvious.

But given some of the posts on previous pages, and in other similar threads, it's apparently something that some people missed (given the multiple "You shouldn't find it hard because I didn't find it hard because I was prepared" type responses)...and why I brought it up in the first place.

[Whiteroom]

Which no one should have to point out, since it is pretty dang obvious.

But given some of the posts on previous pages, and in other similar threads, it's apparently something that some people missed (given the multiple "You shouldn't find it hard because I didn't find it hard because I was prepared" type responses)...and why I brought it up in the first place.

I would say their responses wer geared more towards, you wouldn't find it hard if you had set yourself up for success. That step is not an RNG step, so really it is only as hard as you make it on yourself. If you keep a gil stash around, then steps like that, or at least the crafting portion are not really a concern.

Doing stuff like finding a solid crafter you can go to as a regular helps with those steps. A lot want repeat customers.

Also, they should not be changing the step to coddle the least prepared. Not until the time comes for them to change it so that newer players can have an easier time catching up.

[Falar]

People always say this but they also conveniently fail to mention the fact that you can also get the items from all beast tribe dailies and treasure maps AND gordias

You say that as if you could do all of those in 1 day. I'm 28/80 on the Unidentified items after about 2 weeks. I'm sure by the time I am 80/80 I will have the gil to buy all 16 HQ crafts from the MB. I simply do not have time to do anything BUT:

All roulettes that provide Eso/Poetics
beast tribe dailies

Before it gets so late I need to go to bed or I run the risk of going to work on just 5 hours of sleep. The beast tribe dailies don't payoff for me either since I just came back to the game and never touched the ARR ones, so I can't even buy anything good from them still though I nearly have the HW ones maxed out now.

[Falar]

This Eso/Poetic grind is INSANE, my Vanu Vanu and Vath items will only barely contribute. By comparison in Step 4 of this quest chain I will only have to grind 9000 Esos. I'm hoping that being able to focus just on Esos will make that go much faster, maybe 1 oil every other day.

Honestly, I'm starting to get bored out of my mind. I hope I can keep my motivation for another 4-5 weeks and get this done and not move on to playing something else.

[Whiteroom]

This Eso/Poetic grind is INSANE, my Vanu Vanu and Vath items will only barely contribute. By comparison in Step 4 of this quest chain I will only have to grind 9000 Esos. I'm hoping that being able to focus just on Esos will make that go much faster, maybe 1 oil every other day.

Honestly, I'm starting to get bored out of my mind. I hope I can keep my motivation for another 4-5 weeks and get this done and not move on to playing something else.

You can also hit alex up, or do some fate leveling for Allied seals, or hunts, or maps. Change it up and keep it somewhat fresh. Alternatively, grab your lore weapon and catch up more casually on the relic.

[Berethos]

The beast tribe dailies don't payoff for me either since I just came back to the game and never touched the ARR ones, so I can't even buy anything good from them still though I nearly have the HW ones maxed out now.

Used to be that spending the roughly 40 days of getting all 4 beast ARR beast tribes to Rank 3, with no progress toward currency to buy the unidentified items, was actually faster than doing the Vanu in the long run (assuming that was your primary source and it took longer than 50 days to get all the tokens). Not sure what the ratio to it is now with the Vath added in.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Vath have the same token/pricing scheme as the Vanu Vanu. The only reason you'd want to grind out those beast tribes is their quests lets you level up any class from 50 and up while the ARR tribes is only good for people leveling up classes in the 40s.

[Berethos]

Vath have the same token/pricing scheme as the Vanu Vanu. The only reason you'd want to grind out those beast tribes is their quests lets you level up any class from 50 and up while the ARR tribes is only good for people leveling up classes in the 40s.

I am aware of that.

My comment was in relation to the rate of currency acquisition via the tokens and pricing. When the Anima first became available, some asked if it was better to go back and do the ARR tribes or just stick with the Vanu Vanu, and people then figured out that if you got all of the beast tribe quests to Rank 3 instead of using your allotment on the Vanu Vanu (this was all based on if you did just those for the unidentified items, which is obviously not the recommended way to do it, but it was mostly just theorycrafting specific circumstances than anything else), you would surpass the total number of tokens acquired by the Vanu Vanu option around the 53rd day of dailies (it was like 9 or 10 for the Vanu Vanu due to how specific days get you 3 extra as you're leveling the ranks, 12 for the ARR Beast Tribes). You'd then quickly outpace the Vanu Vanu option, with another 3 tokens per ARR tribe every 13 days, versus just 2 tokens total from the Vanu Vanu every 12.

So the other part of my comment was at the time I wasn't aware of how the addition of the Vath impacted that comparison, as in which day after starting (if beginning all ARR from 0 which takes I think 40 days total to get all 4 to rank 3, or Heavensward tribes from their start) the ARR tribes would overtake the Heavensward option (again, this was all from a theory crafting point of view, not a "here's what you should actually do, unless that's really your cup of tea" point of view).

The answer to that, by the way, is around day 66. If, for some reason, someone wanted to do get all of their tokens from just beast tribe dailies and was at 0% progression for any of them...that's the day the ARR tribes would overtake the Heavensward option (give or take - I didn't factor in the 3 extra from the days you rank up, which is more impactful for the Heavensward tribes as it doesn't cut into the other tribe). In the end, ARR from 0% progression is about 2 months faster than the Heavensward option if you do them and only them (and in my opinion anyone that does is either extremely patient or a little bit crazy, or perhaps both).