How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[MiniTyra]

Yup. The thing as well, x2 GK-BFB is only worth around 0.75 PPS, which equates to roughly a 4.04 DPS increase. Just a 26 DET increase, is enough to outweigh the gain from x2 GK-BFB. You do need roughly 590+ SS to successfully get x2 GK-BFBs. Let's do a comparison:

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/TGXH
Weight: 2202.298
DPS: 1940.785613

The only other set with a lower SS, which beats this set, whilst taking into consideration x2 GK-BFB, is this set:

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/TGXM
Weight: 2205.956
DPS: 1946.271542

Or, the next step is going to near sub 500 SS:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/TGXV
Weight: 2204.983
DPS: 1944.964047


Ultimately, you either stick to +590 SS, or you absolutely crash your skillspeed.

Personally, I'm very bias towards high SS builds (680 range), so I cannot comment on which of the sets are better in a Raid Environment.

What I'm personally building:

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/TGYB
Weight: 2197.302
DPS: 1933.054354

[SunnyHirose]

Really? I've not ran below 670SS since A4S and I've rarely ever encountered Thendiels "Deadzone" and that's with Selenes uptime at 100%. Do you use IR -> BOTD, or BOTD -> IR in your opener? I've switched to the latter and it just feels so much more fantastic.

I do IR -> BotD. Granted, I'm far more concerned with the big picture and practical raiding (like conservation of BotD) than micro-optimizations in dummy rotations. I try to keep any such optimizations based on a specific fight (if I even bother). The main exception I'll make for delaying stuff is putting Geirskogul #3 into an Internal Release (I can never quite get the 2x BfB thing to work out well, this is the substitute), so I don't know that BotD -> IR would help me in that regard.

Talking of low SS, I will say, cooldown alignment is definitely "better" to some degree. Life Surge procs with Full Thrust more often and delaying the 2nd BFB by a GCD (So using it after True Thrust), reaps really insane PPS benefits, over using it before the Phlebotomize (As long as the BFB is delayed). Delaying it this way, pushes the 3rd BFB to after a HT, which again, gives you really high PPS benefits, purely because of the interaction with Jump and BFB.

I'll have to investigate sometime. Soon™.

Of course, Life Surge has a really small overall potency, but having the CD shorter than the loop (like when it went 60s->50s) has never not been a relief to the senses....

[Khadroth]

Tangent #1) How do the high skill speed values model against the lower ones then Tyra? I'm sure they weight lower due to the value currently placed on sksp, but how's their projected dps? I've personally been sitting just shy of 690 for awhile now and find that the cooldown and tp issues are managable, but the sheer speed of attacks is a huge plus.

Tangent #2) I know no one likes to miss, but what if we can go even lower......

[MiniTyra]

I posted their projected DPS, according to my DPS models, besides the sets and their weighting. But that does not include oCDs, or any potential synergy at varying skillspeeds, with certain GCDs.

The only benefit you have of high SS are:

1) Being able to ensure that your 4th is fully buffed by POT + BFB, which makes absolutely no difference in the long run of an encounter

2) In some fights, you're able to get additional GCDs in before certain mechanics (like A5S prey)

3) Additional safety net, as we're only human.

[JackFross]

Still I gotta say I like jack's alternative the most so far. Slightly higher weight than either of mine, more crit, and sits right at that sweet 610 sksp amount that I find to be perfect.

I don't think that was mine, if only because I was making sets with 630-ish det, since 567 feels low.
Something like this is what I was talking about. It's likely not as potent overall as the 1111 Crit build, but it's what I'm likely building toward... This or something similar. The stats this tier are very malleable - you'll always end up with similar numbers in similar slots, modified in chunks of 12 (or smaller numbers), so multiple sets can give you the exact same end result.

I also may just take the 1111 crit build and turn all the Crit melds into Det melds (moving stuff around as needed) to hit 615 det / 1063 crit, which feels nicer to me, personally.

[Khadroth]

Haha sry, I meant Jack891 aka Mirajane. He had talked about just swapping an accuracy for crit to get that set so I posted it for everyone.

[JackFross]

Oh, my bad, then! xD

On another note, this set is definitely the one I'm gonna personally shoot for. It feels a lot nicer with 601 Det, 606 Sks, exactly 705 Acc, while still maintaining 1084 Crit. My favorite part of this set, though, is how both the Midan Metal Spear AND the Midan Jacket get to be pure sex in their stat spreads - full Crit/Det. Both of them soak up 2 Crit melds and it all just mmm. Meshes so well together.

Nothing is sexier than the 110/118 and 102/107 crit/det spear+chest. Nothing.

[MiniTyra]

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/THK0

Then why not this build if you want a spread of 600+ SS&DET?

It's weighted slightly higher than you just dumping all the melds into DET.

EDIT: A6S Accuracy is 676-680. 1 miss at 675 accuracy - This is frontal btw.

This would make A7S Frontal Accuracy in the 690 range.

[JackFross]

By my calculations, that set ends up being slightly less than (but essentially identical to) the set I linked. I don't use any Det melds; just 1 Skill Speed and the rest Accuracy and Crit. I calculate my weights weird, though, and even when I tried to cut out the bases, I still had my sets pulling ~2330 instead of 2200 for the same set, but they're off by like ~0.15, with my set winning.
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/TH2X

6 Crit and 6 Sks -> 12 Det
6*.230 + 6*.131 -> 12*.168
2.17 -> 2.02


And, regarding the accuracy thing, I haven't had any misses yet in A6S with 678. Only had ~2-3 ish raid nights in there, though.

[Khadroth]

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/THK0

Then why not this build if you want a spread of 600+ SS&DET?

It's weighted slightly higher than you just dumping all the melds into DET.

EDIT: A6S Accuracy is 676-680. 1 miss at 675 accuracy - This is frontal btw.

This would make A7S Frontal Accuracy in the 690 range.

Really? I haven't had a single one after 3 nights at 674 and I'm frequently hitting from the front as our tank swivels the bosses around. Granted my group is pretty much failing hard at blaster/brawler atm. Do Swindler & Vortexer have a higher cap or am I just getting insanely lucky?