How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Greyfrost]

I'm trying everything you say, (except I don't use cooldowns during meteors, other than that, I try to max out everything, BOTD usage, GK's (545 ss at i203 so that sucks :c) but I seem not to get any higher than 900-910 dps lmao. I have the i205 spear. I'm still struggling to stay alive during the fight because I wasn't present at day 1 when my static raided so I didn't get as much trying as they had and I die naturally.

But it demotivates me quickly lol, seeing all those monk/mch/whatever is in my party, end up with like 1000+ dps rofl.

I was away for some time from this thread but I'm back now, so I can help with strat. I'm expecting you need help with DPS optimizations during Thordan trial?

For research purpose and I was being curious enough tonight, I can deal around 1480 DPS over 3 minute on dummy with HQ Draco pots of strength.

Weapon was i205.

My stats is as follow :


Is it possible to throw out 4 GSK permin?

[Harkenia]

Is there any changes to the Advanced Opener I should make if I don't use pots? 95% of the time I don't use them unless my group is up against a progression wall and we need every last bit of dps to push through.

[Ninjah2r]

^you can use IR+BOTD after Disembowel, to maximize more uptime of the blood timer. If you want that atleast

[JackFross]

Without potions, the only change I suggest is:

HT>[BL>B4B]>ID>[IR]>Dis>[BotD]>CT>...

It gives you more leeway on BotD while keeping everything else going nice. Another alternative I've been looking at/considering
(which *should* be higher pps, but I haven't had time to test it to know for sure yet):

HT>[B4B]>ID>[IR>BL]>Dis>[BotD]>CT>...

If you wait ~1s on popping B4B to get the 9 hits, you'll also then get 9 hits out of BL (the 8th and 9th hits being a 4th hit and Heavy Thrust, both of which are missed by using it right after HT)

Either one of those should work well.

[CookieMonsta]

Without potions, the only change I suggest is:

HT>[BL>B4B]>ID>[IR]>Dis>[BotD]>CT>...

It gives you more leeway on BotD while keeping everything else going nice. Another alternative I've been looking at/considering
(which *should* be higher pps, but I haven't had time to test it to know for sure yet):

HT>[B4B]>ID>[IR>BL]>Dis>[BotD]>CT>...

If you wait ~1s on popping B4B to get the 9 hits, you'll also then get 9 hits out of BL (the 8th and 9th hits being a 4th hit and Heavy Thrust, both of which are missed by using it right after HT)

Either one of those should work well.

What about swapping IR with BFB for the second rotation? That way, IR drops off just before the buffed FT + LS, and BFB remains for the 4th after that.

[JackFross]

What about swapping IR with BFB for the second rotation? That way, IR drops off just before the buffed FT + LS, and BFB remains for the 4th after that.

If you use IR near the beginning of your gcd spin (which is the case when IR>BL), it'll last for a bit more than 6 gcds, but won't quite catch the 7th. Using that after Impulse Drive causes it to catch: Dis>CT>4th>P>TT>VT and the following gsk, falling off before LS>FT connects. If you use it earlier, you'll miss both VT and gsk with IR. B4B where it is catches the following 9 GCDs if you pop it "properly" (~1s into the gcd spin): ID>Dis>CT>4th>P>TT>VT>FT>4th. Shifting it one gcd over and swapping it with IR means you'll simply lose ID and not pick up an extra GCD under B4B (because you're now popping it early in the gcd spin to fit BL in there as well). Strictly worse to swap them.

Basically, you have 3 skills which could pick up 1 bonus GCD if you use them late in the spin that you wanna use early on, and getting 9 hits out of both B4B and BL is gonna likely be ideal over 7 hits out of IR. The only real other alteration I could see working would be:
HT>[B4B]>ID>[IR]>Dis>[BotD>BL]>CT>...

But then your B4B and BL are hardly overlapping at all, and you're changing that Dis from B4B+IR+BL to B4B+IR while changing the second ID in rotation to BL. Eh?

[CookieMonsta]

Basically, you have 3 skills which could pick up 1 bonus GCD if you use them late in the spin that you wanna use early on, and getting 9 hits out of both B4B and BL is gonna likely be ideal over 7 hits out of IR. The only real other alteration I could see working would be:
HT>[B4B]>ID>[IR]>Dis>[BotD>BL]>CT>...

But then your B4B and BL are hardly overlapping at all, and you're changing that Dis from B4B+IR+BL to B4B+IR while changing the second ID in rotation to BL. Eh?

Ahh I see, derp I can't math

[JackFross]

You can, but. IR is gonna last you 6 gcds if you use it immediately when the GCD starts spinning. Used after ID, those 6 are Dis+CT+4th+Ph+TT+VT(+gsk, if you pop gsk before LS). If you use it a GCD later, IR is missing Disembowel and picking up Life Surge>Full Thrust, which doesn't get a benefit from the 10% crit buff. You can just delay BotD in the gcd by ~1s same as with B4B to get the same benefit without missing an IR-buffed GCD.

Shifting IR+BotD a gcd later is nice when using potions in fights such as A3S, where you don't get the full 60s of your initial BotD to run down, so you *need* that extra buffer to get 3 gsk in phase 1, but this is a discussion of the optimal no-potion opener.

[Monsoon]

I know this is an extremely simple question but I have to ask.

Can anyone help naming the full skillnames in the simple combo?


H -> [BL+BFB] -> ID -> [DRAC-POT] -> DI -> [IR + BOTD] -> CT -> [PS+ LEGS] -> 4TH -> [GK] -> P -> [JUMP] -> TT -> [DFD] -> VP -> [LIFES] -> FT -> [SPD] -> 4TH -> Repeat

I know the simple abbreviations but I don't know the in between skills...

[JackFross]

I know this is an extremely simple question but I have to ask.

Can anyone help naming the full skillnames in the simple combo?


H -> [BL+BFB] -> ID -> [DRAC-POT] -> DI -> [IR + BOTD] -> CT -> [PS+ LEGS] -> 4TH -> [GK] -> P -> [JUMP] -> TT -> [DFD] -> VP -> [LIFES] -> FT -> [SPD] -> 4TH -> Repeat

I know the simple abbreviations but I don't know the in between skills...

Heavy Thrust
[Battle Litany + Blood for Blood]
Impulse Drive
[Draconian Potion of Strength]
Disembowel
[Internal Release + Blood of the Dragon]
Chaos Thrust
[Power Surge + Leg Sweep]
Fang and Claw or Wheeling Thrust
[Geirskogul]
Phlebotomize
[Jump]
True Thrust
[Dragonfire Dive]
Vorpal Thrust
[Life Surge]
Full Thrust
[Spineshatter Dive]
Fang and Claw or Wheeling Thrust