Repair NPCs in Dungeons

[Suirieko]

Just like not liking waiting for buffs to reset on wipe is laziness and entitlement right?

Irrelevant. That is an understandable request, and I would support it.

And again. People forget. . Deserving to be screwed over because I forget is like saying a blind person deserves to be hit by a car because they didn't see it.

I edited the post to factor in "people forget" I'll just reply to you directly since you posted afterwards.

Human errors, human mistakes, and "people forget" are not excuses. This game is very unforgiving against human mistakes. Have you even done any extreme trials? Alexander savage? Bahamut coils? If you make any mistakes there, it costs you and the whole party. Why should this be any different? even in regular dungeons, if one person make enough mistakes, it screws everyone over.

Comparing "Blind person deserves to be hit by a car" is like comparing apples to oranges. That doesn't even work. That doesn't even make sense to compare.

Blind people can't help themselves to be blind, no one's going to hold them at fault for something that they can't help. Blind is a disability, failure to repair your gears, however, is not.

You can, however, can help yourself to check to make sure that your gears are repaired before you go in.

And no. It doesn't just suck to be me. If I happen to be the tank or healer particularly, it sucks to be anyone in the entire group.

Actually, it does suck to the entire group, and guess who's fault is that? The very person that failed to check or repair their gears before they got in. Hell even my FC ask EVERYONE, regularly, to check the gears before we do any raids. That's common sense.

[Jynx]

Hopefully one day I'll forget to repair and end up tanking for you.

This just reflects on you as a responsible player than anything else. But yeah stick it to the man!

[Noxifer]

Not all items available on GC turn ins are available from NPC's, and those are NQ. So when you do NQ, it gives, what, 1/8th a bar instead of 1/4th (For non-bonus)? So let's say 8 months doing it that way to get your crafters up. Not a very good/effective method of expecting people to reach 60 with all crafts. People are more likely to quit before that amount of time passes in a themepark game like this.

Newsflash :3 You only need your crafters to level 50 in order to repair level 60 gear, and you don't need all crafting professions if you don't intend to actually craft stuff. Sure, if you want to be able to meld stuff yourself, you'd need to get the relevant crafts to 60, but not for repairs. The road from 1 to 50 is a lot shorter than 1 to 60, potentially even shorter than 50-60. For me personally, it took quite a long time, but then again I didn't pay attention to it every day, and if stuff was too expensive on the MB I left it alone and hoped for a better hand-in the next day.

Also, not all stuff on the MB are from crafters. Some are stuff retainers brought back. And some of them sell for a lot less than you'd pay a vendor. And don't forget the Ixali quests, which add a fair bit of exp in addition to the GC hand-ins (and again, can be done through only the hand-in quest if you don't want to gear up to actually craft the items). And you can do leves, especially if you have a crafter friend who's willing to craft the stuff for you, either for free or if you bring them the mats.

It's not a salespitch. It's just several people trying to give advice on how to level crafting classes without needing to actually craft. Time or money or effort is pretty much the cost. Since "effort" was discarded pretty much from the get-go ("I don't like crafting!"), the amount of "time" or "money" is going to have to go up.

This idea would be great, but then they have to remember to take up an inventory slot with Dark Matter, AND Hope that they are going to have someone in the dungoun that can repair their gear... Instead of doing this, it'd be better to just add an NPC.

...Or, you know, remember to repair before going in. It's not really that difficult to have a slot dedicated to grade 6 Dark Matter, stocking up on it when you notice you're beginning to run low.

To be honest, this suggestion is sounding a lot like, "I can't remember the rules of the game, so we need to change the rules to make it easier for me to play the game." If you can't remember to repair before going into a dungeon, and can't be bothered to level up crafters to be able to self-repair wherever you are -- and if you have, can't remember to bring the necessary item to do so (dark matter)... I'm starting to think that maybe it's not the game's fault. (General 'you' in this paragraph, not any specific person.)

[WinterLuna]

The lore argument is BS. We have a lot more crazy things going around in the game now. Flying turtles, FF13 characters, etc. Random generic traveling mender NPCs with guards sitting at the entrance would work just fine. Unless you can explain how exactly that violates the lore bible, while flying turtles and dimension traveling FF13 characters don't?

How is the Lightning lore surprising to you? The whole storyline is based on "lifestream" and "aether," is it really that surprising that a character managed to travel through that? Not to mention it was quite obviously a promotional event and had to somehow be linked with FFXIV. Flying turtles also have absolutely nothing to do with it unless you can find me a source of why this counteracts Eorzean lore.

Some dungeons are supposedly "abandoned" or "we're the only adventurers strong enough/brave enough to go into." Can you imagine a traveling merchant sitting at the entrance of Bahamut? It just doesn't work.

[Adire]

Comparing "Blind person deserves to be hit by a car" is like comparing apples to oranges. That doesn't even work. That doesn't even make sense to compare.

Blind people can't help themselves to be blind, no one's going to hold them at fault for something that they can't help. Blind is a disability, failure to repair your gears, however, is not.

You can, however, can help yourself to check to make sure that your gears are repaired before you go in.

Actually, it is a good comparison. Because being blind is not a conscious choice, and forgetting or being a forgetful person is not a conscious choice. There are actually many reasons and many actual disabilities that can cause people can have memory problems, and those reasons are never conscious choices to have it.

How is the Lightning lore surprising to you? The whole storyline is based on "lifestream" and "aether," is it really that surprising that a character managed to travel through that? Not to mention it was quite obviously a promotional event and had to somehow be linked with FFXIV. Flying turtles also have absolutely nothing to do with it unless you can find me a source of why this counteracts Eorzean lore.

Some dungeons are supposedly "abandoned" or "we're the only adventurers strong enough/brave enough to go into." Can you imagine a traveling merchant sitting at the entrance of Bahamut? It just doesn't work.

That's the thing, it's not surprising to me. There are very off the wall things going on in this game. That's why something as practical as an NPC going into a dungeon is completely believable.

"Abandoned" means no one lives in them pretty much. It does not mean expeditions do not happen into them. Also, merchants =/= adventurers, so they would not apply to this "we're the only adventurers strong enough" thing. I don't recall seeing anywhere that says there's absolutely no way anyone but the WoL can get into most dungeons anyways.

Someone posted a collection of dungeons and explanations for how NPCs could fit into them a few pages, assuming the idea of NPCs tagging along with a party of borderline immortals truly is too much for lore enthusiasts to bear.

[Suirieko]

Hopefully one day I'll forget to repair and end up tanking for you, or someone else will, when you don't have a replacement to call in.

Wow. Purposely act irresponsible and become a burden to the entire party just to spite me? That really shows a lot about you.

[WinterLuna]

Actually, it is a good comparison. Because being blind is not a conscious choice, and forgetting or being a forgetful person is not a conscious choice. There are actually many reasons and many actual disabilities that can cause people can have memory problems, and those reasons are never conscious choices to have it.

Comparing people with disabilities to you not remembering to check your gear on an online game is very rude and unnecessary.

[Suirieko]

Actually, it is a good comparison. Because being blind is not a conscious choice, and forgetting or being a forgetful person is not a conscious choice. There are actually many reasons and many actual disabilities that can cause people can have memory problems, and those reasons are never conscious choices to have it.

Uh.... Being blind gives you severe limitations, even in life.

However, repairing your gears, (or failure to do so) is not even a handicap, and there's many ways to fix it, such as (but not limited to): Post it notes, electronic reminders (Cellphone, computer, smartwatch, etc.). Having your friends remind you. Or level all crafts to 50. YES 50, NOT 60! It's not even THAT hard (or expensive) at this point in the game.

Point is, this is an unnecessary change, and I'd rather SE spend time fixing more urgent issue, than cater to people that can't be bothered to spend a few seconds to repair their gears before dungeons.

Repair NPC in dungeons is not an urgent issue.

Allowing players to meld any gears they want regardless of craft levels is not an urgent issue.



...And for god's sakes, You're still comparing blind people to an in-game issue? That's just incredibly rude of you and I'm almost offended because I 'm actually deaf.

[Adire]

Wow. Purposely act irresponsible and become a burden to the entire party just to spite me? That really shows a lot about you.

Way to not read context. I never said I'd purposely do it. There's no way I could even purposely do it since I don't know who I'm going to end up with in a group. Use common sense.

Comparing people with disabilities to you not remembering to check your gear on an online game is very rude and unnecessary.

Who says memory loss doesn't happen as a result of disabilities?

Also, the pages and pages of people gloating to me about how they never forget is also quite rude and unnecessary.

Point is, this is an unnecessary change, and I'd rather SE spend time fixing more urgent issue, than cater to people that can't be bothered to spend a few seconds to repair their gears before dungeons.

I highly doubt this change would require a lot of time on SE's part. But I understand change and emulating other MMOs' good choices isn't really welcomed around here, so I know I'm fighting an uphill battle.

...And for god's sakes, You're still comparing blind people to an in-game issue? That's just incredibly rude of you and I'm almost offended because I 'm actually deaf.

And for god's sake, you're still insisting that my forgetfulness and not always remembering to repair is my own fault and gloating about how it's not a problem you have. You've been offending me since your first post here, I actually have memory issues

[WinterLuna]

Someone posted a collection of dungeons and explanations for how NPCs could fit into them a few pages, assuming the idea of NPCs tagging along with a party of borderline immortals truly is too much for lore enthusiasts to bear.

Again, imagine one of these NPC's in T13? Where would it even go? On a platform SE would have to create and insert into an already implemented dungeon?

And again, stop using disabilities as an excuse to enforce your argument. If a disability causes someone to forget to repair their gear that much that they need a mender inside a dungeon, how are they going to remember fights in the first place? Unless they have some sort of selective memory?