Repair NPCs in Dungeons

[Suirieko]

Just like not liking waiting for buffs to reset on wipe is laziness and entitlement right?

Irrelevant. That is an understandable request, and I would support it.

And again. People forget. . Deserving to be screwed over because I forget is like saying a blind person deserves to be hit by a car because they didn't see it.

I edited the post to factor in "people forget" I'll just reply to you directly since you posted afterwards.

Human errors, human mistakes, and "people forget" are not excuses. This game is very unforgiving against human mistakes. Have you even done any extreme trials? Alexander savage? Bahamut coils? If you make any mistakes there, it costs you and the whole party. Why should this be any different? even in regular dungeons, if one person make enough mistakes, it screws everyone over.

Comparing "Blind person deserves to be hit by a car" is like comparing apples to oranges. That doesn't even work. That doesn't even make sense to compare.

Blind people can't help themselves to be blind, no one's going to hold them at fault for something that they can't help. Blind is a disability, failure to repair your gears, however, is not.

You can, however, can help yourself to check to make sure that your gears are repaired before you go in.

And no. It doesn't just suck to be me. If I happen to be the tank or healer particularly, it sucks to be anyone in the entire group.

Actually, it does suck to the entire group, and guess who's fault is that? The very person that failed to check or repair their gears before they got in. Hell even my FC ask EVERYONE, regularly, to check the gears before we do any raids. That's common sense.

[Adire]

Comparing "Blind person deserves to be hit by a car" is like comparing apples to oranges. That doesn't even work. That doesn't even make sense to compare.

Blind people can't help themselves to be blind, no one's going to hold them at fault for something that they can't help. Blind is a disability, failure to repair your gears, however, is not.

You can, however, can help yourself to check to make sure that your gears are repaired before you go in.

Actually, it is a good comparison. Because being blind is not a conscious choice, and forgetting or being a forgetful person is not a conscious choice. There are actually many reasons and many actual disabilities that can cause people can have memory problems, and those reasons are never conscious choices to have it.

How is the Lightning lore surprising to you? The whole storyline is based on "lifestream" and "aether," is it really that surprising that a character managed to travel through that? Not to mention it was quite obviously a promotional event and had to somehow be linked with FFXIV. Flying turtles also have absolutely nothing to do with it unless you can find me a source of why this counteracts Eorzean lore.

Some dungeons are supposedly "abandoned" or "we're the only adventurers strong enough/brave enough to go into." Can you imagine a traveling merchant sitting at the entrance of Bahamut? It just doesn't work.

That's the thing, it's not surprising to me. There are very off the wall things going on in this game. That's why something as practical as an NPC going into a dungeon is completely believable.

"Abandoned" means no one lives in them pretty much. It does not mean expeditions do not happen into them. Also, merchants =/= adventurers, so they would not apply to this "we're the only adventurers strong enough" thing. I don't recall seeing anywhere that says there's absolutely no way anyone but the WoL can get into most dungeons anyways.

Someone posted a collection of dungeons and explanations for how NPCs could fit into them a few pages, assuming the idea of NPCs tagging along with a party of borderline immortals truly is too much for lore enthusiasts to bear.

[WinterLuna]

Actually, it is a good comparison. Because being blind is not a conscious choice, and forgetting or being a forgetful person is not a conscious choice. There are actually many reasons and many actual disabilities that can cause people can have memory problems, and those reasons are never conscious choices to have it.

Comparing people with disabilities to you not remembering to check your gear on an online game is very rude and unnecessary.

[Adire]

Wow. Purposely act irresponsible and become a burden to the entire party just to spite me? That really shows a lot about you.

Way to not read context. I never said I'd purposely do it. There's no way I could even purposely do it since I don't know who I'm going to end up with in a group. Use common sense.

Comparing people with disabilities to you not remembering to check your gear on an online game is very rude and unnecessary.

Who says memory loss doesn't happen as a result of disabilities?

Also, the pages and pages of people gloating to me about how they never forget is also quite rude and unnecessary.

Point is, this is an unnecessary change, and I'd rather SE spend time fixing more urgent issue, than cater to people that can't be bothered to spend a few seconds to repair their gears before dungeons.

I highly doubt this change would require a lot of time on SE's part. But I understand change and emulating other MMOs' good choices isn't really welcomed around here, so I know I'm fighting an uphill battle.

...And for god's sakes, You're still comparing blind people to an in-game issue? That's just incredibly rude of you and I'm almost offended because I 'm actually deaf.

And for god's sake, you're still insisting that my forgetfulness and not always remembering to repair is my own fault and gloating about how it's not a problem you have. You've been offending me since your first post here, I actually have memory issues

[Suirieko]

Way to not read context. I never said I'd purposely do it. There's no way I could even purposely do it since I don't know who I'm going to end up with in a group. Use common sense.

Oh for.. Hell, if it's even a tank, they could just disband (Or we could vote kick) and they repair, and then re-queue by doing "Join a duty in progress" it doesn't change the fact that the mistake is on them, and not on anyone else. It's a responsibility.

Who says memory loss doesn't happen as a result of disabilities?

Also, the pages and pages of people gloating to me about how they never forget is also quite rude and unnecessary.

Memory loss can be a disability, which is why there's numerous ways to overcome that, which I suggested earlier.

I highly doubt this change would require a lot of time on SE's part. But I understand change and emulating other MMOs' good choices isn't really welcomed around here, so I know I'm fighting an uphill battle.

Have you even done programming? sometimes even the simple request could be extremely complicated.

It's probably why we can't even repair other people's stuff, like we used to in 1.0. I said it before, I'll say it again, I would wholeheartedly welcome the ability to repair other people's gears.

[Eidolon]

Oh for.. Hell, if it's even a tank, they could just disband (Or we could vote kick) and they repair, and then re-queue by doing "Join a duty in progress" it doesn't change the fact that the mistake is on them, and not on anyone else. It's a responsibility.

Wrong! Tanks are no longer allowed to Join in Progress anymore, thus they are effectively removed from the duty and you just have to hope to get a new one

Editted for correctness: Players are not allowed to Join in progress* after being kicked.

It's probably why we can't even repair other people's stuff, like we used to in 1.0. I said it before, I'll say it again, I would wholeheartedly welcome the ability to repair other people's gears.

That'd be cool with me, but they should make it two pronged: Don't give just crafters benefits. Add the NPC and add the ability to repair eachother's gear, and when you get it from another player, allow it to go over 100% (thus making it more desirable than an NPC.)


Forgive me for only quoting two parts, I don't disagre with the middle. I feel, however, that SE is skilled enough to program. "It's too hard" shouldn't be ar eason we as consume accept.

[Suirieko]

Wrong! Tanks are no longer allowed to Join in Progress anymore, thus they are effectively removed from the duty and you just have to hope to get a new one

Welp. Guess they'll have to make sure their stuff is repaired fully next time so this awkward situation doesn't happen again.

[Lexia]

And for god's sake, you're still insisting that my forgetfulness and not always remembering to repair is my own fault and gloating about how it's not a problem you have. You've been offending me since your first post here, I actually have memory issues

Why does one of your main defenses rely so heavily on you forgetfulness? Maybe you need to work on that and try to be more conscious of your gear. People have given you options of how to overcome your issues but you seem to reject them all and still think adding a NPC to dungeon is the only solution.

[Adire]

Memory loss can be a disability, which is why there's numerous ways to overcome that, which I suggested earlier.
Have you even done programming? sometimes even the simple request could be extremely complicated.
It's probably why we can't even repair other people's stuff, like we used to in 1.0. I said it before, I'll say it again, I would wholeheartedly welcome the ability to repair other people's gears.

I don't use a cell phone, I don't queue with friends, and I'm not going to clutter my PC with post it notes as if this game is some kind of job. I usually have my stuff repaired anyways, I don't forget often enough to justify doing that. The entire event that triggered this post was someone else forgetting and costing our group 30 minutes of our lives, not me forgetting.

And yes, I have programmed. But it doesn't take a programmer to realize that this would be easier to do than some of the much more unimportant things SE does already with every patch. If something this simple is a big workload for their programmers, then they may need new programmers.

I'm pretty convinced that we don't have this or what you're suggesting because QoL improvements have never been high on SE's to do list. I could list for pages the number of annoying things in the game that need to be improved, from the buff reset thing I mentioned earlier to not being able to do anything with 1 menu open.

Why does one of your main defenses rely so heavily on you forgetfulness? Maybe you need to work on that and try to be more conscious of your gear. People have given you options of how to overcome your issues but you seem to reject them all and still think adding a NPC to dungeon is the only solution.

Why do your posts have to constantly remind me that you know more about my forgetfulness than I do? As mentioned above, it's not even just about my own forgetfulness. The event that triggered this topic for me is someone else's forgetfulness, not my own.

I never said it's the only solution, I've simply said it's something I would appreciate having as I greatly appreciated having it in my previous MMO.

[Lexia]

Why do your posts have to constantly remind me that you know more about my forgetfulness than I do?

Because large majority of your posts use that as a reason why your request should be added.