Monk 3.0 CHAKRA UNLEASHED

[CGMidlander]

No our DPS is extremely low right now in the swindler fight particulary, we're doing pretty nice everywhere else, as we've only beaten the swindler a few times and we've only been able to actually get full raid nights this past weekend. So healers are expected to dps there? I figured as much, right now me and the drg are soloing our monsters, the brd is working on one, and the two tanks are working on the other, the blm is switching from brd to tank.

A few questions if you don't mind?

Can I ask what you are doing with PB also? I assume you use it at the start of Blaster/Swindler and just try and get Opo Form for Brawler/Vortexer.

Also, do you stay on the boss for the first set of adds in Swindler?

I use PB on Blaster and it's up for Swindler, so I use it on him too.
I stay on the boss for the first set of adds, since we LB2 them.

[Claymore022]

Recently I just started experimenting with various openers and I'm just looking for something "comfortable". I tried the two suggested in the 1st post, but I'm still curious if there are any other "popular" openers I can play with.

The opener you suggested is fine. Just shift b4b and IR down one gcd and use a pot after twin snakes instead of elixir and you're on your way to some great deeps

[Rebellius555]

Take the 2.0 Opener (don't use form shift at the start), if you start with PB > Snap > Snap > Demo, then before you reapply demo do a fracture. Otherwise if you do Demo > Snap > Snap then after you apply Demo and before you do Dragon Kick, do a Fracture. These are two rotations that I think most people are using. I personally do the former.

This will lower your burst a bit because you are changing an Early Snap (The last skill you use in PB) into an extremely late Fracture, but it should be a higher DPS plateau and you don't need to do 3 Form Shifts before every pull.

Some monks I've met said that Fracture isn't really increasing your DPS that much. Also, I'm a bit worried about using it on bosses such as Sephirot EX which are already a huge TP drain even when I'm not using Fracture.

Could I please take a peek at the exact opener you're using (including the Fracture "placement" of course) just to test it? The thing I'm also looking for is comfort of using the actual opener since I'm on PS4 and I still keep messing up the order of skills after playing 3 different games simultaneously, so anything which does not require using Form Shift in combination with hasty tanks would be more than ideal for me.

[Morzy]

I have personally seen areas i could have used fracture while in seph ex and didnt because of TP. When DK has 3-5 seconds and demo and tod are 10+ seconds.

[Morzy]

Idk. This is my rotation..

Form shift x3 + tackle + demo + pb + snap + snap + dk + ir + twin + bfb + snap + elixir + boot + howling + true + peak + tod + fc + demo

Everything lines up perfect. I understand theres a non form shift rotation but i use form shift as much as i can and if i cant i.know tge 2.0 rotation.


Thoughts?

[Ossom]

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I also play on PS4. The opener is :

Perfect Balance > Snap > Snap > Demo > Dragon Kick > Blood 4 Blood > Twin Snakes > Internal Release > Bootshine > X-Pot > Touch of Death > Elixir Field > True Strike > Howling Fists > Snap Punch > Steel Peak > Dragon Kick > Shoulder Tackle > Twin Snakes > Forbidden Chakra > Fracture > Demolish > Bootshine

Some monks I've met said that Fracture isn't really increasing your DPS that much. Also, I'm a bit worried about using it on bosses such as Sephirot EX which are already a huge TP drain even when I'm not using Fracture.

I haven't found a fight released in 3.1/3.2 where Fracture has destroyed my DPS to the point where I have had to drop it. The only fights I can recall from 3.0 and beyond where I have had TP issues like that are A3s and A4s. Seph does cut it close if you have bad dps in the first phase, and bad dps at the end of the fight but thats about it.

You don't have to use fracture, but you're going to start clipping your Demolish's, and fracture is your third strongest skill, after Demolish and Touch of Death as long as one DoT ticks (making it stronger than bootshine).

[Morzy]

Are you saying it might be bad to not use fracture as a filler with all of our speed?

[Ossom]

I'm saying that if going into a fight with the intention to not use fracture at all is going to hurt your DPS. Now if it comes down to the point where you're at like 300 TP and no Invigorate in sight, then start dropping fracture/ToD or w/e. But thats still a DPS loss if you never do run completely out of TP.

From my SSS testing too, it seems its more DPS to use Fracture/ToD and save for Purification than to use Forbidden Chakra and do w/o those skills. If you drop Fracture, you're going to be clipping roughly 1/3 or 2/5s of all your Demos. If you drop ToD too you are going to clip 100% of all your Demos.

[Jekyll]

I'm saying that if going into a fight with the intention to not use fracture at all is going to hurt your DPS. Now if it comes down to the point where you're at like 300 TP and no Invigorate in sight, then start dropping fracture/ToD or w/e. But thats still a DPS loss if you never do run completely out of TP.

From my SSS testing too, it seems its more DPS to use Fracture/ToD and save for Purification than to use Forbidden Chakra and do w/o those skills. If you drop Fracture, you're going to be clipping roughly 1/3 or 2/5s of all your Demos. If you drop ToD too you are going to clip 100% of all your Demos.

Ossom,

Out of curiosity, when do you apply fracture and do you maintain 100% uptime with it?

Currently, I apply fracture when it falls off but only on rotations where I will not have to reapply ToD. If I have to reapply ToD during that rotation, I will not reapply fracture until the following one. "Rotation" being DK > TS > SP > BS > Tru > SP/Demo. Though I do end up clipping a good amount of my Demos.

[Morzy]

I'm saying that if going into a fight with the intention to not use fracture at all is going to hurt your DPS. Now if it comes down to the point where you're at like 300 TP and no Invigorate in sight, then start dropping fracture/ToD or w/e. But thats still a DPS loss if you never do run completely out of TP.

From my SSS testing too, it seems its more DPS to use Fracture/ToD and save for Purification than to use Forbidden Chakra and do w/o those skills. If you drop Fracture, you're going to be clipping roughly 1/3 or 2/5s of all your Demos. If you drop ToD too you are going to clip 100% of all your Demos.

Well i better take FC out of my muscle memory. It makes perfect sense, really. The gap to apply fracture is onlygetting wider. Thanks Ossom