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    Quote Originally Posted by _slowpoke_ View Post
    Nope, a good reason to level crafters. If you don't want to do that, then off to the repair NPC you go. Outside the dungeon.
    Agree, with this. If they put repair NPCs inside dungeons, they'd might as well just remove the durability all together. If someone doesn't want to level their crafts to repair their own gear in dungeons, they need to learn to be mindful of the status of their gear and repair it before queueing up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilitsa View Post
    Agree, with this. If they put repair NPCs inside dungeons, they'd might as well just remove the durability all together. If someone doesn't want to level their crafts to repair their own gear in dungeons, they need to learn to be mindful of the status of their gear and repair it before queueing up.
    You do realize that durability is there as a way to remove gil from the economy, correct?

    That's exactly what a dungeon NPC's purpose would fulfill. That's why we have NPCs outside of dungeons too....

    I understand that lots of people enjoy unnecessary and purposeless inconvenience, but I'll never understand why exactly.

    The last MMO I played used durability in the same way, and it worked just as well in dungeons as out of dungeons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adire View Post
    Ever had a tank go in who forgot to repair and had to leave, only for the rest of the group to wait around for a replacement that never comes?
    Actually, I have never in my playing this game for almost 3 years have had this problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adire View Post
    You do realize that durability is there as a way to remove gil from the economy, correct?

    That's exactly what a dungeon NPC's purpose would fulfill. That's why we have NPCs outside of dungeons too....

    I understand that lots of people enjoy unnecessary and purposeless inconvenience, but I'll never understand why exactly.

    The last MMO I played used durability in the same way, and it worked just as well in dungeons as out of dungeons.
    I do realize that is the purpose, and I still see it as redundant to do what you're asking. The "unnecessary and purposeless inconvenience" can be said about durability in general though. It doesn't matter what your last MMO was, that's not how it is here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilitsa View Post
    Actually, I have never in my playing this game for almost 3 years have had this problem.
    Good for you. I have had this problem, so it exists.



    Quote Originally Posted by Ilitsa View Post
    I do realize that is the purpose, and I still see it as redundant to do what you're asking. The "unnecessary and purposeless inconvenience" can be said about durability in general though. It doesn't matter what your last MMO was, that's not how it is here
    It's not redundant.

    Repair NPCs outside dungeons remove gil from the economy.

    Repair NPCs inside dungeons would remove gil from the economy.

    The purpose of durability is to remove gil from the economy.

    Therefore, like the already existing NPCs outside of dungeons, NPCs inside dungeons would also fulfill this purpose. It's not complicated.

    And it does matter actually. I am making a suggestion based on something I believe the previous MMO I played did right and would like for it to be applied here as well.

    Unless suggestions are unwanted and emulating success is a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by _slowpoke_ View Post
    Because, again, it's a good reason to level crafters, and makes them relevant beyond just crafting gear and consumables.



    Just because you are annoyed by crafting doesn't mean others are, and those who have invested in leveling their crafters get to enjoy the benefits. If you don't want to level crafters, then better learn to watch your durability more closely.
    I stress this again. Not everyone enjoys crafting. I do not. I should not have to craft and cram my inventory further in order to afford to be forgetful just because crafting benefits.

    This "benefit" that crafting has is simply a partial lack of a detriment that other players have to suffer.
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    Player Ilitsa's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adire View Post
    And it does matter actually.

    Unless suggestions are unwanted and emulating success is a bad thing?
    It really doesn't. And it must not be TOO successful, since you're here and not there complaining about wanting here to be like there =) Suggestions are more than welcome, just don't think everyone will mindlessly follow the bad ones "just cause"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adire View Post
    I understand that lots of people enjoy unnecessary and purposeless inconvenience, but I'll never understand why exactly.
    Yet you arbitrarily defend a system that in it's basest form has no real use other than to suck minute amounts of gil out of circulation. It's not even effective in it's own purpose.

    what you will "Never understand" is things you find purposeless inconveniences are engaging or immersive experiences for others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jynx View Post
    Yet you arbitrarily defend a system that in it's basest form has no real use other than to suck minute amounts of gil out of circulation. It's not even effective in it's own purpose.
    Got any proof of just how much gil it sucks out of the economy? If not, then I'm not going to indulge you any further on this.

    Engaging and immersive experiences are great! But I draw the line at them when they start to negatively impact other players' experiences, and abandoned dungeon runs are pretty negative. Forcing players to adapt a playstyle they don't like and shouldn't have to adapt in order to avoid this is pretty major as well.

    But do go on. You seem like you know quite a lot judging by what I've seen you say before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adire View Post
    Got any proof of just how much gil it sucks out of the economy? If not, then I'm not going to indulge you any further on this.

    Engaging and immersive experiences are great! But I draw the line at them when they start to negatively impact other players' experiences, and abandoned dungeon runs are pretty negative. Forcing players to adapt a playstyle they don't like and shouldn't have to adapt in order to avoid this is pretty major as well.

    But do go on. You seem like you know quite a lot judging by what I've seen you say before.
    Are you saying not having a mender in dungeons is forcing you into a play style you don't like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexia View Post
    Are you saying not having a mender in dungeons is forcing you into a play style you don't like?

    How else am I going to repair gear in a dungeon if I forget without being forced into crafting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adire View Post
    How else am I going to repair gear in a dungeon if I forget without being forced into crafting?

    Check your gear every time before queuing for a dungeon, problem solved.
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