Can Accuracy and Parry be removed already?

[Nektulos-Tuor]

That makes zero sense to me sir.

Accuracy is how accurate you hit, it's a fundamental aspect of any fighting system.
Parrying is a fundamental aspect of physical combat where blows can be parried by your weapon, and could reasonably extend to magic with magical weapons.
Two separate Speed stats is silly, you never have both, so only one is needed. Speed is a core aspect of how players move. High speed should equal more action in less time, I don't see why or how removing SkillSpeed/SpellSpeed is a positive change at all.

I meant stats that artificially gate players in EQ/WoW/Rift/Blabla. Accuracy is significant in a game that uses mostly autoattacks, accuracy is a good stat if its 'only for autoattacks' however 'autoattacks' play a very small role in the game, unlike a game like Everquest where you have:

- DPS Mod
- Attack Speed
- Double Attack
- Triple Attack
- Autoattack Modifier.
- Accuracy
- Strikethrough

Yes - it got ridiculous. However, accuracy isn't needed in a game like FFXIV that is mostly just spells and combat arts.

[Ashkendor]

This is unfortunately true. However, if I may, I would like to speak in support of secondary stats. If secondary stats were handled better, and had meaningful, but slight impact, they would be an aspect of gearing to allow alternate builds, and therefore offer more options to players rather than fewer options. But for that to happen, the relevance of secondary stats needs improvement.

I have a friend that's actually experimenting with builds with varying levels of Crit and SkSp on bard. It's pretty interesting stuff. Do I feel secondaries could do more? Absolutely, I do. OP is flat-out asking for removal though, which is what drew the response I gave. He doesn't even do content where secondaries are relevant and yet he feels qualified to ask for the removal of two of them.

TL;DR: Just another Nektulos thread.

[Kosmos992k]

I have a friend that's actually experimenting with builds with varying levels of Crit and SkSp on bard. It's pretty interesting stuff. Do I feel secondaries could do more? Absolutely, I do. OP is flat-out asking for removal though, which is what drew the response I gave. He doesn't even do content where secondaries are relevant and yet he feels qualified to ask for the removal of two of them.

TL;DR: Just another Nektulos thread.

Agreed

::hands a bag of popcorn over::
Real butter and Sea Salt...awesome.

P.S. when your friend collates their results, I hope they post them here. I'd be interested to know the impacts of those two secondary skills in practice.

[Slappah]

Actually with 5000 parry it'd be kind of amazing tbh

[hellmach]

you're asking yoshi-p to respect your intelligence to engage in a meaningful stat system which isn't going to happen

[Remus]

I would actually like them to remove accuracy as a stat. I hate it when I get a new piece of gear from content then go "oh can't wear this I will be below accuracy cap" You should be able to wear new gear you get without worrying about have you met the accuracy cap if not then unlucky you cant wear this new gear you just worked hard for.

[Sir_Hermes]

They had enmity secondary in 1.0, I would like this to return so parties without a ninja can also have their tanks deal maximum dps... Same with enmity reduction materia for other roles

[Syzygian]

5000 parry at current scaling would be well over 100% Parry rate. You'd feel it.

Also can you please stop making trite comparisons to other mmos? Do us all a favor and go play them instead if your (frankly casual) take on secondaries is better suited elsewhere.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

5000 parry at current scaling would be well over 100% Parry rate. You'd feel it.

Also can you please stop making trite comparisons to other mmos? Do us all a favor and go play them instead if your (frankly casual) take on secondaries is better suited elsewhere.

I don't know; casual isn't what i'd say. What i'm asking is nothing complex at all. However, secondaries in this game are kind and have been kind of a running joke for quite awhile now.

Meaningful support classes and secondary stats are something I will always fight for.

[Ashkendor]

I don't know; casual isn't what i'd say. What i'm asking is nothing complex at all. However, secondaries in this game are kind and have been kind of a running joke for quite awhile now.

You've been quite adamant in other threads that you don't raid or do EX primals. Face it, you're casual.