Is dpsing and a healer becoming the standard norm!

[Noxifer]

Beware long post ^^;

One day people will stop taking this out of context, but today is not the day.

Whether the quote is taken out of context or not, it still summarizes some "I will only heal, no matter what" healers pretty well, and for that I kinda like it. ^^;

Nope. It is the healer fault if he continues to DPS and the tank dies. But if the tank reaches 500 health and then the healer uses his cooldowns like Tetra, Essential Dignity, Lustrate. He did his job perfectly fine. Healers are here to keep you alive not to keep you at 100% all the time when it isn't even needed.

Which is what Xlantaa said. If the healer is healing, and the tank dies due to lack of mitigation or dodging, then it's the tank's fault. If the healer is dpsing and the tank's hp is dropping and goes to 0, then it's kinda the healer's fault for not stopping their dpsing. If the tank isn't using mitigation, both of them are at fault, of course, but if the healer isn't even trying to compensate for the brainfarting tank, it's not solely the tank's fault for dying.

I call that kickbait. I'm not here to drag people through a dungeon while they watch Netflix!

Agreed. Sure, temporarily it's ok, if they have to brb for some reason (as long as they say something first), but even then I'd really prefer if they put /follow on a ranged dps instead ^^; Due to /follow delays, they're bound to be hit by all AoEs directed at the tank otherwise.

I'm not entirely sure about that. Played many MMO's over the years and this is so far the only one where people go crazy about healers dpsing.

I'm fairly sure Slappah meant "norm for forever in this game", not in general ^^;

Heh wow, no one has ever actually verbally acknowledged my DPSing on my SCH. In fact, I often find I am more likely to get commendations if I don't DPS and I just sit around and heal once in awhile.

I've experienced both *shrugs* It depends a lot on what kind of people you end up with in a run. But it's true, people rarely go out of their way to say anything specific about what was done right. But while I haven't had many people tell me 'good dpsing', I haven't really had anyone tell me 'good healing' either. Both are kind of expected, especially from a scholar, but in my experience people don't always complain in-duty regarding lack of dps either (when it comes to dungeons and other 'easier' content, that is). They'll just shrug and leave and figure they'll 'get a better healer next time', I suppose. I don't particularly care, to be honest. I'll dps as much as I'm comfortable with. If the tank's losing hp rapidly or very unevenly, I'll throw in a Shadowflare and a few MiasmaII -- without Cleric Stance. If it's a tank who's actively using self-mitigation and dodges stuff (and is more than marginally above the ilvl requirement), then I can feel safe going ClericStance until the tank's at around 50% hp or so. I do admit that there've been a couple of close calls where I've missed with my Miasma and want to recast it so I can Bane the group before going back, and then have to use my remaining Aetherflow stacks to Lustrate the tank to safety before I can take the time to cast a Physick or Adlo. Haven't lost anyone recently, though. Well, not for that reason at least.

If you solely want to heal and nothing else, there's.... Every other MMO ever out there...

You have a fair point there, though I'm normally not too fond of the whole "if this one thing doesn't suit you, go play something else" argument.

That said, it did take me quite a while to get comfortable enough to dare stance dancing, and even now I still have to actively remind myself (both as scholar and as warrior) to actually utilize my stance dancing in combat. To switch to Deliverance after the other tank swapped with me, instead of remaining in Defiance because "I'll be tankswapping in just half a minute or so anyway". And I wasn't particularly damaged by other MMOs either -- I've only dabbled in LotRO and SWtOR up to around level 30 or so. So I can imagine that if you've played a "healers only heal" type of MMO extensively, the change could be shocking and/or stressful.

It's fairly common to be fully capable of clearing everything without a single DPS job, running nothing but healers and tanks because healer DPS is frankly insanely high.

I can't confirm the 'clearing everything' without any DPS jobs, but I do know that due to role preferences, we had groups from my FC levelling 50-60 and doing some dungeons with either two tanks or two healers (with one tank or healer pretending to be a dps). I know we did in particular the Vault with both combinations; had no particular issues as such, and while it did go slightly slower than with two DPS jobs, there was no particular difference in speed between the 'two tanks' and the 'two healers' setup. (Might be worth to mention that the distribution of roles was DRK/WAR or PLD/WAR and SCH/WHM respectively, with the WAR or SCH 'pretending to be a dps'.)

Pretty safe to say it's the person who just wants to stand around and get carried who is being a douche.

Well, if said person is telling you they want to get carried, and then very obviously does the bare minimum (I'm thinking of one tank in Void Ark doing this -- even used autoattacks only during one boss, and deliberately got himself locked out of the last fight, leaving me to tank both baby Echidna and one of the snakes), then yes, that person's a douche.

But if said person is uncomfortable healing because they're usually playing a different role, and is struggling to keep track of everything that's going on, taking those 'quiet moments' to calm themselves down and prepare for the next panic moment, then the person who went there partially pre-formed just to be able to kick 'bad healers' and then decides to kick them is a douche.

Basically, unless the person communicates an attitude of 'you're here to carry me', you have very little clue as to what's happening on their side of the screen.

This is a change I'm not yet aware of as I am still level 50 and just got Heavensward today. If the zones now really require almost no healing then by all means dps. At 50 this is not the case and the roulette I do still feature large pulls and constant healing needed on the tank (and usually dps who pull aggro or are melee).

It's a change that happened during one of the 2.x patches, actually. In the first couple of level 50 dungeons, as well as most of the ones before that, you could pull pretty much the entire stretch before a boss (Brayflox HM, for example). Then at some point (2.3, maybe?) they changed that, and dungeons started to feature 'gates' every two to three mob groups, preventing people from progressing further before all the enemies (or specific enemies) were killed. So yeah, after that the pulls could still be daunting for a 'fresh' healer, but for those who'd gotten used to the full pulls of the previous dungeons, it was mostly just a 'sigh, not another gated dungeon' experience.