Is dpsing and a healer becoming the standard norm!

[Kosmos992k]

Note that I said not casting a heal. You still have your fairy healing you. All you need to do is dps.

I still stand by my comment. But to add to this, make it a pre-level 30 dungeon and take the soul stone off.

[MomomiMomi]

I still stand by my comment. But to add to this, make it a pre-level 30 dungeon and take the soul stone off.

You do know that people regularly do low level dungeons as SCH and never cast a heal, right? The /follow and watch Netflix thing isn't a joke, it's a reality. You don't need to heal in those dungeons. Fairy does it all for you.

Try it sometime.

[Kaurie]

You do know that people regularly do low level dungeons as SCH and never cast a heal, right? The /follow and watch Netflix thing isn't a joke, it's a reality. You don't need to heal in those dungeons. Fairy does it all for you.

Try it sometime.

This is also true in the current expert dungeons.

[Kosmos992k]

You do know that people regularly do low level dungeons as SCH and never cast a heal, right? The /follow and watch Netflix thing isn't a joke, it's a reality. You don't need to heal in those dungeons. Fairy does it all for you.

Try it sometime.

No, really? So in fact you are not running with little to no healing, you brought the AI healer with you. Your point was that in general for dungeons little to no healing was required. Sure you could delegate the healing to Eos, but since Eos is functionally part of your healing potential as a healer, you are still indirectly healing the party. So actually the dungeon requires healing.

You can say "Note that I said not casting a heal.", but then you can't say that about a dungeon run with a Conjurer, White Mage or Astrologian in the healer role because they do not have a AI healer pet to take over their duties for them. Nor can you say it if your Scholar is trying to run the dungeon without using it's pet.

[MomomiMomi]

No, really? So in fact you are not running with little to no healing, you brought the AI healer with you. Your point was that in general for dungeons little to no healing was required. Sure you could delegate the healing to Eos, but since Eos is functionally part of your healing potential as a healer, you are still indirectly healing the party. So actually the dungeon requires healing.

You can say "Note that I said not casting a heal.", but then you can't say that about a dungeon run with a Conjurer, White Mage or Astrologian in the healer role because they do not have a AI healer pet to take over their duties for them. Nor can you say it if your Scholar is trying to run the dungeon without using it's pet.

I have no idea what you're trying to get at. If Eos is doing all the healing, what are you going to do? Stand there? Dance? Watch Netflix? The logical thing to do is dps. This has nothing to do with player skill. It's the only useful thing that the SCH can do in this situation.

The fact that the fairy can deal with all the healing by itself shows just how little healing is required. A CNJ only needs to cast a Cure every 10-20 seconds. What are they going to do the rest of the time?

[Kosmos992k]

I have no idea what you're trying to get at.

I'm trying to get at the point that claiming you don't have to heal in dungeons is BS...

But, hey, whatever. Whether or not you mean to, I see arguments like the one you are pushing as eroding or diminishing the role of healer.

Taking a discussion about whether healer dps in dungeons is the new norm and instead questioning whether healing is needed at all is ridiculous IMHO. If that's your attitude to healing, maybe you should ask yourself why you even list Conjurer as your main class?

[Nektulos-Tuor]

I'm trying to get at the point that claiming you don't have to heal in dungeons is BS...

But, hey, whatever. Whether or not you mean to, I see arguments like the one you are pushing as eroding or diminishing the role of healer.

Taking a discussion about whether healer dps in dungeons is the new norm and instead questioning whether healing is needed at all is ridiculous IMHO. If that's your attitude to healing, maybe you should ask yourself why you even list Conjurer as your main class?

Aero III/Aero II and Stone II+Holy are amazing for damage.

Holy is also a stun; so it reduces the damage the tank can take from trash.

For mass pulling; putting on Regens, then switching to Cleric Stance and casting Aero III, holy and Stone II adds a LOT of dps to the fight for little uptime and you can go back and cast your heals again.

Healer AOE dps is NOT to be underestimated.

[MomomiMomi]

I'm trying to get at the point that claiming you don't have to heal in dungeons is BS...

But, hey, whatever. Whether or not you mean to, I see arguments like the one you are pushing as eroding or diminishing the role of healer.

Taking a discussion about whether healer dps in dungeons is the new norm and instead questioning whether healing is needed at all is ridiculous IMHO. If that's your attitude to healing, maybe you should ask yourself why you even list Conjurer as your main class?

I'm not questioning, I'm asserting. And I never said "healing is not needed at all". I said extremely little healing is required.

I'm not diminishing the role of healer. I'm stating what healer is like in this game. If you want it to change, be my guest, argue that it should be changed. I'd even support that. But in the game's current state, very little healing is required in dungeons with the exception of excessively large pulls (which you are also against).

[Kosmos992k]

I'm not questioning, I'm asserting. And I never said "healing is not needed at all". I said extremely little healing is required.

I'm not diminishing the role of healer. I'm stating what healer is like in this game. If you want it to change, be my guest, argue that it should be changed. I'd even support that. But in the game's current state, very little healing is required in dungeons with the exception of excessively large pulls (which you are also against).

I'm not against large pulls as long as a) everyone is geared, and b) everyone agrees to that method.

I'd definitely argue that there is change needed both to reinforce the role of healer, and fix the situation that requires Tanks and DPS to be doing something all the time, but allows the healer to pick their lottery numbers between heals.