Is dpsing and a healer becoming the standard norm!

[sorahu]

So allow me to elaborate on the title, a couple days ago In a normal run of the antitower I noticed the healer not healing the tank due to the tanks had high migration of damage from packs of mobs. So I was watching this and also noticed the healer staying in cleric stance longer and longer burning mp on trash mob, bosses etc but not healing the tank until like 3k hp left. Mind you the tank had 21,000 hp lol. Then the healer raged on the tank and told him/her to use buffs to migrate more damage because dps was to low for him. So finally here is the title question. Is it the new normal for healers to dps not only in raids of 8 players but even in 4 player dungeon runs? Is the standard that if you don't dps as a healer would you be classified as not playing your job to the fullest?

To me this seems like heal dpsing is becoming more and more of a have to, then just helping dps a little. Is this starting to cause a imbalance in job performance?

[Chiramu]

That healer was being a bit of a douche but in Antitower and Amdapor Hard it is easy to stay in Cleric longer than the other dungeons.

[Vivi_Bushido]

To answer the question without giving a personal opinion on how I feel about the matter.

Yes; DPS healers is becoming the norm, and has actually been the norm for quite some time now.

[Eidolon]

Tanks used to do enough DPS to carry the DPS; however, SE nerfed that.
Now it falls on healers to DPS more to carry the DPS.

Alright, now that this joke is out of the way...

In all honesty, the boost to VIT values across all tanks has created a greater amount of buffer for healers. They are able to stay in cleric's longer (as you saw) because the damage coming to the tank just doesn't match to the HP.

The exception to this, of course, is tank busters - but eventually, even that will hit a point where we have too much HP and the healers can be a little neglectful during it.

[Slappah]

Healer dps isn't becoming the norm

It's been the norm for....well...forever

[sorahu]

healing to me seems like it becoming a more difficult class to play if they have to heal, dps, watch for mechanics and raise dps to keep doing there main jobs= dps

[Kaurie]

A few points.

Healer DPSing became the norm a long time ago (prior to Heavensward it was extremely common, and became even more common post Heavensward). I personally started DPSing as a healer around level 20 or so back in like 2013 or 2014 (i forget precisely).

The new dungeons are ridiculously easy. You can run both new expert dungeons in Cleric Stance 98% of the time, I literally let Eos/Selene take care of all the heals and merely pop off cleric stance to adlo between pulls. So for every pull, I'll be out of cleric stance for one GCD or 2.4 seconds. I haven't counted the pulls, but I think there is roughly 3-4 between each boss, so we'll say a total of 14 pulls + 3 bosses = 17 occurrences where I will use 1 GCD to adlo the tank. That's 17x 2.4s or 41 seconds out of a ~24 minute run. Generally speaking, the tank never dips below 40% hp but even that is rare.

I am not entirely sure if you are complaining about the healer DPSing. In the story you mentioned, would you advocate the tank not be using cooldowns more effectively? I fail to see the problem with preventing more incoming damage and increasing more outgoing damage.

So finally here is the title question. Is it the new normal for healers to dps not only in raids of 8 players but even in 4 player dungeon runs? Is the standard that if you don't dps as a healer would you be classified as not playing your job to the fullest?

No, it is not the new normal. Yes, if you don't DPS as a healer you are not playing your job to the fullest.

[Valkyrie-Amber]

Was the tank a pld? if so plds can self heal somewhat, if drk or war then I agree healers fault.

[Averax]

Its actually been a lot more difficult to dps as a healer ever since they killed our accuracy in the newer content.

[Kaurie]

Was the tank a pld? if so plds can self heal somewhat, if drk or war then I agree healers fault.

What was the healers fault? I didn't see anything regarding a wipe or a death even. Just a bit of a jerk of a healer who can't communicate properly, a DPS who doesn't understand the current meta and a tank who can't mitigate damage properly.