Cleric Stance

[Duelle]

Like you say, healers are in a weird place. We're told that we don't have to dps, yet they train the newbies to do so. They tell us that we don't have to, but the dps checks in place insist on it. We are given low acc with no means to raise it other than to the detriment of our main purpose and yet they expect us to do what?

Well, the sources of the issues are non-cohesiveness between class and content design and the fact SCH was not really...corrected...when players started pumping out DPS with it back in ARR. Ability bloat plays into this too, because post-50 skills had the risk of being redundant if they had all been heals (which creates other issues like too much outgoing healing accessible to a healer, which then means everything has to deal more damage to balance that out).

The devs really need to sit down and look at what they want to get out of their healer paradigm, decide on a set of rules for their healing classes (and for once stick to them across all levels of design) and then make necessary changes on WHM, SCH and AST. Cleric Stance is more an accessory to the problem, and I feel it comes partly from the fact SCH is not as penalized as the other two healers. At least to my knowledge the fairy's healing potency is not nerfed the way WHM and AST are in Cleric Stance. Granted, I wouldn't have given SCH access to Cleric Stance in the first place and given it its own special stance with its own set of limitations.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Well, the sources of the issues are non-cohesiveness between class and content design and the fact SCH was not really...corrected...when players started pumping out DPS with it back in ARR. Ability bloat plays into this too, because post-50 skills had the risk of being redundant if they had all been heals (which creates other issues like too much outgoing healing accessible to a healer, which then means everything has to deal more damage to balance that out).

The devs really need to sit down and look at what they want to get out of their healer paradigm, decide on a set of rules for their healing classes (and for once stick to them across all levels of design) and then make necessary changes on WHM, SCH and AST. Cleric Stance is more an accessory to the problem, and I feel it comes partly from the fact SCH is not as penalized as the other two healers. At least to my knowledge the fairy's healing potency is not nerfed the way WHM and AST are in Cleric Stance. Granted, I wouldn't have given SCH access to Cleric Stance in the first place and given it its own special stance with its own set of limitations.

Not true, other healers can lay down HOTs and go DPS. They also have to spam less skills then scholars do to get the most out of their damage because their skills do more damage literally.

If you nerf Scholar, I would nerf Paladins Clemency to heal 1/4 of what it does now.

[RhaegarFFXIFenrir]

Accuracy shouldn't be an issue at all in 4 man content. It absolutely should be a requirement in 8 man content though. I'd say that if your healer is required to dps in raids then it is not a waste to meld acc into your gear. DPS and tanks might find themselves in the position where they're going to have to meld acc into some slots as well. As opposed to buffing cleric stance which would be game breaking, just easing the acc requirements in 4 man content would ease most of the complaints about this. I know I don't like to see Holy miss 4/5 mobs when I'm trying to not only speed up the run, but stun lock the mobs making tank survival easier to manage.

[RhaegarFFXIFenrir]

SE is also sending very mixed signals on what they consider a healer's role to be. If healers aren't supposed to dps, then why do so many of their post lvl 50 skills revolve around dealing damage?

[Ophie-Mio]

As opposed to buffing cleric stance which would be game breaking

In standard 210 gear for healers, their accuracy is around 360 (give or take) and that doesn't even cover caster acc (432) needed for Binding Coil of Bahamut. Content that old and yet we aren't even accuracy capped for that. Not even close.

So how would say a 5% (cause I don't believe in 100%) increase be game breaking? :O

[Niroken]

Not true, other healers can lay down HOTs and go DPS. They also have to spam less skills then scholars do to get the most out of their damage because their skills do more damage literally.

If you nerf Scholar, I would nerf Paladins Clemency to heal 1/4 of what it does now.

WHM DPS'ing is not as mana efficient compared to SCH as we are mainly burst damage, even if we had 100% accuracy the DPS is not sustainable. There is a reason why SCH is the go to healer for DPS.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

A 5% increase wouldn't be noticeable, so it'd be a waste to program. In order to be noticeable, it'd need to at least be 20% or so.

[AsteriaStarfall]

Yeah i do quite enjoy casting gravity as astrologian and seeing "miss" flash across my screen for 3 out of the 5 enemies. Got asked during a dungeon why i wasn't helping to DPS, and i simply responded that it was a waste of mana if every other hit is going to miss.

And seeing how this new raid and trial where every 2-3 seconds there seems to be burst damage, it seems as though SE doesn't want healers ever dpsing again.

[RhaegarFFXIFenrir]

Yeah i do quite enjoy casting gravity as astrologian and seeing "miss" flash across my screen for 3 out of the 5 enemies. Got asked during a dungeon why i wasn't helping to DPS, and i simply responded that it was a waste of mana if every other hit is going to miss.

This bothers me on WHM too. The only reason I ever even lvled it was to holy spam in roulettes and I can't even really do that anymore. It is kind of unfair to the other DPS and Tanks if Healers were suddenly given a buttload of ACC for free when others have to sacrifice the stats they'd like to stack just to have the requisite ACCt. That being said....something DOES need to be done because right now Healers don't have access to any job specific gear which contains ACC. Healers (esp Scholars) should be able to gear towards dpsing if that's what they are going to be asked to do by their raid team.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

You can! Just meld accuracy materia.