Please Remove the Materia Melding Crafter Restriction

[AsteriaStarfall]

Simply put, what was previously a sensible system now no longer makes sense for the current gear.

Psst....level your crafters Problem solved.

See here is the problem with requests like yours. The system exists that allows you to fully do this yourself instead of having it handed to you. Materia melding is a part of what crafters do. If you choose to not actually perform a part of the game, then do not expect it to be made available to you.

Edit: I mean to clarify why your request has a problem. In FFXIV you can perform all jobs/roles. You are not restricted. If lets say however that you could only choose 2 crafter classes instead of all of them, then yes i would strongly support your position to have the materia melding requirements lifted. Because you are locked by something that would have been implemented before 3.2
However since you have never been restricted, the only problem is that people failed to level their crafters in the many months/years they have been playing.

[Krysanthia]

It's not like they've reduced any of the stats on dungeon gear. The materia slots are strictly a bonus. You know what else are bonus stats that you can get through the crafting system? Food and stat potions. Next you're going to be saying its unfair to be a/pay a culinarian or alchemist to have access to the stat bonuses you gain from food and the extra cooldown from stat potions. You're no more required or more deserving of having those materia slots filled as you are to have a food buff or stat potions.

Reading the back and forth on this topic made me think hard about whether being upset about this was justified. Thank you for putting to words exactly how I feel about it.

[Lemuria]

What did low end crafters do before this patch, sit and complain about the lack of ways to make gil? Every time a convenience feature is suggested, it's always "But crafters will lose this and that", first glamour prisms and now materia.

What did high end combatants do before this patch? Sit and complain about the lack of ways to meld vitality onto their strength rings? This is not a convenience feature, this is directly attacking crafting. Maybe we should have an auto-regen as well, so that we can run dungeons without healers. After all, it's an inconvenience to find a white mage, or a scholar. It's an inconvenience to find a tank too, so let's give everyone 2500 defense. If you think that all sounds silly, it's because it is. It's just like saying "I want the benefits of crafting, but I don't want to be crafting".

Melds are not mandatory, but they're a nice bonus. Stop trying to take our few benefits away just for the sake of your brief 'inconvenience'. If you knew what it took to make those level 220 items, you wouldn't be so critical of the price. Never mind the fact that level 230 gear is but a few tomes away now, making it obsolete before it's been made.

[Legion88]

Before 3.3, the only gear which could be melded with materia was crafted gear. Melding the materia into a piece of gear typically is done by the same crafting class that made the gear. The system was good and it made sense. Now, however, end game raid and token gear are coming with materia sockets. As these gears are not crafted, we shouldn't have to hunt down a crafter in order to meld materia into them. Simply put, what was previously a sensible system now no longer makes sense for the current gear. I get that finding a crafter is more of an inconvenience than anything else; however, doing away with the crafter-only restriction makes complete sense now that we're getting meldable gear from alexander and lore tomes.

First, we have 3.2 with meldable gear from Alex and tomestones. And it makes sense to take it away but it makes also sense to stay like it is.

Nevermind that there's no restriction on converting gear into materia...a process which logically WOULD require a specialist.

And Slappah, most crafters I've run into expect tips for doing this kind of stuff. They don't do it for free. This is going to turn into FFXIV's version of the tele-taxi's we saw in XI.

The converting process is an aetherdrain from the equipment which manifests as materia and the item breaks. It's not that i would need a specialist more a crafter like an aetherworker to extract materia from spiritbound gear.
btw can we get a crafter to extract specific kind of materia from spiritbound gear and put more bad rng on the materia extracting for not using this crafter class?
And you won't pay a service you get? that is kind of rude.
I don't know how the taxistuff in XI worked and it doesn't matter for this subject.

Derio,

How would this make crafters useless? If you're going to make such a bold claim I expect you to back it up. Consider that most of the Orchestrations are crafted. Most of the in demand glamour gear is crafted. There's i220 gear that is crafted that endgamers are buying in bulk. Crafters are an integral part in the relic quests too. Tell me, how would putting melding in the hands of everyone somehow make crafters useless?

Orchestrion rols = Carpenter + Alchemist lvl 15+
in demand glamour gear is mostly only for endgame crafters
i220 gear is also for endgame crafters
relic items = endgame crafting
melding materia into midas/tomestone gear = crafters lvl 50+
It won't make crafters useless but it is a good expansion for their use.
Most things crafters are usefull is endgame crafting till 3.2. Now the low level and pre 60 crafters gain a little bit of use and you want to take that bit of use away in the name of convenience or in other words cause you are to lazy to ask a friend or do it yourself.

If you don't like crafting yourself, don't take away the need or convenience is given to others through crafting.

[Felis]

It's more inconvenient than it should be, that's what the OP is about. It's no different than not requiring a mage class to create portals to cities like in other MMOPRGs, is it a big deal? No, but it's nice to be able to do it yourself.

But you can do it yourself
level up DoH classes

Melding the materia into a piece of gear typically is done by the same crafting class that made can repair the gear.

I fixed it a bit

[Mycow8me]

Put an npc into the game that charges 10k each time. Then ppl cant complain theres no other way or are having trouble finding a melder... All so they will still shout for melders cuz they wont want to pay the 10k anyway lol.

Not like we didnt spend millions of gil and tons of time and effort lvling our gatherers and crafters or anything...

[Belhi]

Best solution to me would be to create an NPC that charges to attach materia and doesn't do overmelds. Have them charge say 200 gil per tier of Materia. 1000 gil for a one of meld is hardly asking a great deal. Repair bill can often add up to that.

That allows non crafters the ability to meld relatively cheaply while allowing crafters to still benefit from lvling their crafting classes. I don't think removing the perk from crafters completely is fair though. Sure crafters can make very good and expensive gear and glamour but to actually do most of that requires a very highly lvled crafter, a LOT of Material farming and a good degree of luck with RNG plus is highly restricted to only three classes due to specialisation. It would be like saying the Discipline of War and Magic should only get good stuff from doing Savage raiding.

[Felis]

Best solution to me would be to create an NPC that charges to attach materia and doesn't do overmelds. Have them charge say 200 gil per tier of Materia. 1000 gil for a one of meld is hardly asking a great deal. Repair bill can often add up to that.

With a 95% chance of success ^^

[Colorful]

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I suppose we should never get a glamour system that isn't completely garbage, something on par with DCUO then. That would be attacking crafters and their profits, and as such, not a feature of convenience. Give me a break, this isn't the slightest bit comparable to your overblown comparisons and you know it full well. Removing the need for a class? I'm sorry, I wasn't aware than I was suggestion the removal of crafting, or is materia melding the sole reason people craft? I wasn't critical of the price of the i220 gear either, hell I think they're priced decently on Tonberry (ranging from 700,000-1,000,000 gil per piece) but I'm sure on NA servers the prices are overblown as usual.

[ElHeggunte]

Well, right off of the top of my head I can think of two compromises SE could make to the system that won't completely destroy crafting (not that I think removing the requirement would impact crafting much in the first place, but I digress):

1) You only need to raise one crafter (excluding ALC and CUL) to an appropriate level in order to meld all equipment. I can understand needing to have a specific class to repair a specific type of gear, but the way the game talks about materia melding it doesn't sound like something that should be restricted by class in the first place.

2) You can pay an NPC to meld for you, but their success rate is less than 100% and they can't overmeld even on equipment that allows it.

Or like our new favorite NPC would say "Why not both?"