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    Suirieko's Avatar
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    Suirieko Mizukoshi
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    Quote Originally Posted by RhaegarFFXIFenrir View Post
    And how would you know what I have or have not seen? Have you hacked into my computer and are watching everything on my screen as it happens? I wouldn't think to call your experiences a lie, so don't you dare call my experiences a lie either. Your baseless arguments have no merit and YOU are BS. You have no way to refute my argument so you scream "he's a liar he's a liar." This isn't 2nd grade.
    Hilarious. Considering this person black listed me for disagreeing with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Colorful View Post
    Why are people against such a simple change?
    Melding has been around as long as the game has been around. For the longest time, people have been asking to be able to meld raid gears (since only a minority of players used crafted gears for raiding). Now that players can meld the raiding gears, they're demanding to be able to meld the raid gears without having to put in the work to level crafters, like, you know, many of us did.

    Melding is not blocked off, all they had to do is to either ask someone to do it for them, or level crafts.
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    Last edited by Suirieko; 03-02-2016 at 10:09 AM.
    Suirieko Mizukoshi of Excalibur Lamia


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    Quote Originally Posted by Suirieko View Post

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    So your opinion is "I suffered, so other people should too"? Are you against the removal of caps on old weekly tomes? After all, we had to go through that too. Are you against the boosted MSQ EXP? We did have to do it slower. Are you against the new jobs starting at 30? We didn't get that leisure with the original classes + Rogue. Against the nerfing of older raids, or the option to do them undersized? Are you against making old glamour sets and bits and bobs easier to craft, against removing the restriction from older PvP gear, against the removal of specialization requirement from some recipes?

    Backwards way of thinking to say the least. No one is demanding it happen, it was a simple suggestion before someone posted a completely overblown response and then it went downhill from there.
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  3. 03-02-2016 12:48 PM
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    Sigh. FFS. Copy paste fail.

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    Suirieko Mizukoshi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colorful View Post
    So your opinion is "I suffered, so other people should too"? Are you against the removal of caps on old weekly tomes? After all, we had to go through that too. Are you against the boosted MSQ EXP? We did have to do it slower. Are you against the new jobs starting at 30? We didn't get that leisure with the original classes + Rogue. Against the nerfing of older raids, or the option to do them undersized? Are you against making old glamour sets and bits and bobs easier to craft, against removing the restriction from older PvP gear, against the removal of specialization requirement from some recipes?

    Backwards way of thinking to say the least. No one is demanding it happen, it was a simple suggestion before someone posted a completely overblown response and then it went downhill from there.
    Way to completely miss the point. it has zero to do with "I suffered so other people should suffer too." and for the record, I don't oppose all what you just said either. I already got it done, and SE obviously made content easier so new players can catch up, which is exactly the point of making old contents easier, so players can catch up.

    It's more to do with the fact that people want free pass to melding just because raid (blue gears) have slots.

    To summarize:

    Top crafted battle gears have always been meldable, but nobody bats an eye over it

    SE makes raid (blue gears) meldable, and everyone loses their mind.

    Thing is though, in order to meld every gears, you have to level just about every class (Except for culinary, there's no gears to meld using culinary). I feel it's a slap to the face if SE allowed everyone to meld, even if it's just for open slots. Only reason people want to have free pass to melding is because raiding gears have open slots.

    It's not that hard to ask your friends and/or FC mates to meld for you, and I'm pretty sure most don't mind melding for people repeatedly. Of course you can shout, and most crafters are nice enough to do it for free, if not for TINY fee. (Seriously, it's just a flippin click of a button, so ANYONE that asks you to pay them for 250K gil is being an asshole, and refuse, vehemently.) Just keep shouting/asking in places like Idyllshire. There are a LOT of crafters out there.

    Edit: Actually let me elaborate further.

    For the longest time, there was hardly any reason for DoW and DoM to depend on crafters whatsoever, with the exception of food and medicine.

    Players can repair at NPC

    Players don't NEED to buy crafted gears to be at their best.

    Technically players don't even need to buy crafted gears to level. There's a lot of NPCs out there that sells crafted gears, but they can be pricey.

    This is the ONE thing that DoW/DoM have where they can fully depend on crafters to help them out, and it is a VERY simple thing to ask for. (all you gotta do is to right click a player and hit request meld, and it's literally a click of a button and it's 100% workable. No RNG shenanigans. Overall this takes like 15 seconds per gear.)
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    Last edited by Suirieko; 03-02-2016 at 01:09 PM.
    Suirieko Mizukoshi of Excalibur Lamia


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    Quote Originally Posted by Suirieko View Post
    Melding has been around as long as the game has been around. For the longest time, people have been asking to be able to meld raid gears (since only a minority of players used crafted gears for raiding). Now that players can meld the raiding gears, they're demanding to be able to meld the raid gears without having to put in the work to level crafters, like, you know, many of us did. .
    That's an incredibly poor argument. It has no merit on its own.
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    I've watched both of these threads with interest as I find it interesting how more and more people just want to Solo a Multiplayer game. There is tons of people out there that will happily do it for free and you never know, you might make a good friend out of it as I know I have. I'll be really unhappy if they take this away from crafters who have put effort to level them up and gear them out. Be Social people, it's not that hard really O.O
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    Sida Bajihri
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    A small thing about some points in this thread. That is about crafter expecting a tip for the meld. Some say they meld free but welcome tip if it's offered and I guess that's the usual. But what caught my attention was defending the not giving tip with "its just one button press" and how it should be free because they really don't do anything. If it was so darn easy, why don't you make that "just one button press" yourself then? If you can't, could it maybe be because you didn't put your time and effort to level the craft? Go level the craft and see how you feel of people who expect that "the one button press" is doing nothing. It's one act but behind it is all the time spent to be able to do so.

    It's one and the same if people tip or not but do not defend the lack of it by belittling the effort to level crafts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sida View Post
    It's one act but behind it is all the time spent to be able to do so.
    And thus we solved the mystery of underperforming players in dungeons!

    It's not that these people "cannot" do more than autoattack or cure 1. They simply expect a tip for using the abilities they gained from leveling a combat class to 60.

    It all makes sense now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    And thus we solved the mystery of underperforming players in dungeons.
    People are lazy, nothing new here.

    Also to the people who claim crafters are asking tips for melds....if its just one or two melds don't pay them? find someone else? like there are most likely thousands of crafters in your server that could and would do it for free...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    And thus we solved the mystery of underperforming players in dungeons!

    It's not that these people "cannot" do more than autoattack or cure 1. They simply expect a tip for using the abilities they gained from leveling a combat class to 60.

    It all makes sense now.
    The person in your analogy which you try to portray as a crafter, who refuses to perform in reasonable way, ie wants a free carry is the same one who wants a free meld without bothering to craft. They both want to get a benefit off a content they can't be bothered to participate in. Unless the melds are going to people they play with, ie static/FC mates, crafters don't benefit from it any way so don't try to say it's their duty to benefit others with it.
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    Last edited by Sida; 03-01-2016 at 11:45 PM.
    If you say 'pls' because it's shorter than 'please', I say 'no' because it's shorter than 'yes'.

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