Self-Destructing Community?

[CGMidlander]

The subject of this thread is somewhat bittersweet, I guess I'm just trying to see if anyone else is running into the same toxic clouds that I am.
The main issue I'm getting at the moment is players doing their daily roulette, not reading the gigantic "new player bonus" at the start, or my attempts to advise them that I am currently trying a duty I have no clue about.
This would be no problem at all, if all goes to plan. However, with new mechanics to which the solution is not immediately apparent, there is a fair chance someone will cock up, or miss something. It is at this point that certain players feel the need to explode into an incandescent ball of rage and possibly neckbeards. NOT HELPFUL.
Is it really just me? or has anyone else got any crackers where after playing seven thousand hours straight, someone doesnt have the time to type "just focus down X enemy".

You're being melodramatic. The community is not out of expectations for an internet-based one.

[vp_cmc]

I was doing new fights completely blind.. with my static. All 8 people don't know what to do and have to figure how mechanics work. And it was fun. I think it is rude to go DF blind and expect complete strangers to keep waiting until you figure out what to do in the fight. So I recommend having statics for this if you can or create PF groups when you can't ("Sephirot ex first try group. No spoils, going blind", and don't forget to add some of those people to LS or give a friend invite, so you can continue practice next time with about same people).

[loreleidiangelo]

If you want to go in blind and learn it on your own put it up on pf. On df you never know what you'll get either way because we ain't Japan. I can understand the frustration on both sides of the argument. This 'self-destructing community' is how it's been at least since Titan HM anyway.

EDIT: And if you go in expecting that people will tell you how to do it, why don't you just read a guide? It's essentially the same and now you're switching the burden of you learning on the person forced to teach you. If I deliberately wanted to explain some fight I would make A GUIDE for it.

If you want to go in with people who know what they're doing, put it in PF. This ain't Japan.

That same non-argument can be used from both sides, lol. And honestly, I can understand frustration with new players in old, obsolete content (though I don't agree with it), but for content that's four days old?

Dying laughing.

[Waryax]

If you want to go in with people who know what they're doing, put it in PF. This ain't Japan.

That same non-argument can be used from both sides, lol. And honestly, I can understand frustration with new players in old, obsolete content (though I don't agree with it), but for content that's four days old?

Dying laughing.

Well I did say you don't know either way, as in you don't know if you get people who know it or people who don't. I don't think going into df you should assume anything at all. I just find going in and then expecting for people to copypaste you a guide to be quite dumb.

[Asmodai]

Unpossible! I have been informed that there is no toxicity in this game by people on these very same forums!

[Radacci]

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well imo the forum community is worse than in-game.
but your example happens now and then, not very frequently though; it's apparent with *watching cutscene* and tome bonus - if i see that, i give some advice on bosses.

[IzVale]

Guides are up within hours of new content going live, if not by the next day. So, if you aren't there on release day, take the time to look it up. That's where the explosion comes from, cause honestly.. alot of us are tired of doing the research ourselves and then expected to hand hold lazy people who don't want to "spoil the fight."

People like you make an MMO suck. Thank god I can be lazy enough to not waste my time on you. And luckily to us, which dare to have fun and try for ourselves, peeps like you leave quite fast.
Then again, in case you want to know: I enjoyed 2 hours of wiping in Chrysalis with 2 different groups and see them getting to know the mechanics.. it was fun

[Defias]

@OP
You pretty much hit the nail on the head .
This community is self defeating, sometimes so much that SE has to tweek/change things to stifle/attempt to fix things.
Yet then the community likes to complain about when SE responds/tries to fix things about it.

1.
Folks seem to dislike when new players don't know anything even on the launch day of new content.
As folks have already stated:
"Guides are out in mere hours after a patch."

Solution:
Now...I personally think SE should just attach an official walkthrough to every Dungeon, Trial, & Raid.
While selecting/unlocking the dungeon/trial for the very first time in the DF, the game should replace the Queue button with a button that forced you to watch the official walkthrough. Once watched in entirety the game will allow you to queue.
After that a new button will appear after Map on the dungeon/Trial/Raid description that allows you to watch the ingame official walkthrough.

But..then this community would complain that SE has taken all the surprise out of content, & that it's holding the hands of "bads" by teaching them before they run the content, and now the game have been dumbed down even more.

2.
Once the NPC companion/group system comes out so players can run dungeons & Trials without other players this'll no longer be an issue atleast.
Atleast then players can experience the content freshly, at their own pace (no need to treat dungeons as a constant speed run/mass pull everything, maybe even *gasp* read the lore inside the dungeons), and not have to worry about endangering, hindering, and/or holding up others.
It would not eliminate all the "bads", but it would cut out a noticeable large chunk of them.

But then...the community would complain that this is an MMORPG and as a result folks should be forced to socialize, communicate, and etc with other players.
Despite the fact it likes to constantly remind itself how much it hates players not knowing any mechanics, learning for the 1st time, not being perfect in rotation/dodging/etc, and how it resents communicating with itself because of ___.

I cannot wait for the NPC groupmates, I believe it's supposed to be GC recruits or something to come out.

Yeah, some folks will treat the game as a Single player rpg, and some folks will just focus on the NPC as their groupmates.
But honestly the MSQ IS honestly pretty much already a Single player RPG as our groupmates are barely mentioned if ever.
And for players who want to experience dungeons in a more casual manner such as reading Lore notes/watching cutscenes, not mass pulling the whole dungeon, skipping stuff, and rushing to the end; this will be a god send.

But folks will riot about it. But now adays MMOS are going more and more this way.

I personally wish they' d just give us Solo versions of all Dungeons, & Trials (Ala ESO) that award us half of what the group version awards.
Then folks could "learn" the content and or farm/grind it and not anger other players in the process.
Those who want a group experience and/or better rewards (just like Raiding) could run the group version.
Those who want to avoid the drama/problems of groups, take their sweet time, or don't mind having to run a dungeon atleast twice to equal a "group" run now have the option.

And folks would hate this as they'll say:
"This is an MMO. Solo versions shouldn't exist of anything. Be social."

So basically the community can,be summed up in the statement of:

"I don't want to have others in my party who don't play the game exactly how I want to play it; as I don't want to teach/explain/carry them. But I also don't want them to be able to avoid ruining my experience, let alone have an option to do the content without communicating with me, so I can belittle/berate them and make them feel bad & explain why my way is the only way."

[Dzian]

Video guides often aren't that helpful, back in ARR for example a ls helped me and couple of others clear t9 went in totally blind, took us about 2 hours to get the clear. I picked things up quite quick. after that though going back into these turns to help other ppl in the shell get clears was a piece of cake pretty much.

one day there was a t9 farm in party finder, having cleared it 3-4 times and become familier with it and knew what i was doing i joined this group with another guy from my ls, no soldiery bonus when the group started so everyone had gotten clears, but then procedded to wipe 3 times and people started raging and throwing blame around and group disbanded.

the cause was that the way in which my ls tought me to run the group was muchly similar to a mtq video on youtube which i hadn't seen at that point. 3-4 of the group were used to a mrhappy way of doing things, and the other 2 from some other guide i cant remember who's off hand.

so what happens is you have ppl standing dead centre when golems drop expecting golems to be dropped at the very edges only to find they drop in the circles and now the dead centre is a death trap cos you'll get nailed by the splash damage from all 3 golems.

then you get people standing at there points when someone drops a golem at the edge and it ends up to close to the one in the circle they merge / wipe. and then you have people who are running full circle round the outside of the arena making it near impossible for the healers to catch them.. had similar things with groups for lots of content.

as for new people in content, i will offer advise / basic tips if they ask, but if no one says anything it's got to a point where i sometimes wont bothertrying to explain anything cos they don't want to listen, even the simple things like ak hard, get targeted hide behind statue, then the newb is like why didn't you heal me? when they stand there and die. didn't listen....

mentors aren't much cop either currently, i went to a first time piece of content yesterday 3 newbies 4 mentors, 2 of us asked for any basics, and none of the mentors was any help, just charged in, we riped they raged... "yeah great mentoring guys"

[Warlyx]

if the new player to the duty ask beforehand , 90% of the time he usually gets a little brief about the encounter...now if the new player doesnt ask at all and remaint silent , sometimes ppl explain sometimes dont bother.

we cant really know if the new player has watched a video / read a guide and dont even need explanation...some even want to go blind alone and discover the mechanics....

all the options are valid if u ask me...but at least speak , nothing worse remaining silent and wiping the party ....

so if a newbie ask and doesnt get and answer and then the party wipe, U CANT blame it on the new player.... u can even use it as defense if the party points at u.