Self-Destructing Community?

[Sax]

I feel like people are talking about two different types of people here. There are the people that want to go in blind and learn as they go for their first time, which is great. It's fun to figure things out on your own, and a totally reasonable thing to do this close to patch day.

But when you don't know anything about the fight and go into it expecting everyone else to explain it to you right off the bat; well in that case you probably should have looked up the fight first / read a guide / watched a video. Not only is it a massive waste of time which could be spent learning/clearing the new fights, but it can ruin it for the other people who want to run it first without being told what to expect.

EDIT: I want to believe that the 'watch a video' comment was directed more towards the second type of person rather than the first. At least I hope it was lol.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

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What most of us are saying is there is nothing wrong with asking for tips if you're at least polite about it. Obviously, joining in things like EX primals and savage raids in the hopes of being taught on the fly is a major taboo, but most won't see a problem with newbies asking for a quick heads up in the easier content since the steps are simple and quick to explain in a few lines and 2 minutes. Like I said before, people who do speak up and ask for tips are usually the ones that are willing to learn and learn from their mistakes. Those that don't say anything tend to cause wipes. If you don't want to be teaching people during your daily EX roulette/Midas run, then DF is gonna drive you nuts.

[Shug]

So I tried A5 in DF the 2nd day it was out. The majority of the group was new. We kept wiping at the same part, and nobody was talking to try to figure it out. If I try it and can't figure out what I am dying to, I will either ask what is happening, or when the duty is over, as in the case I'm talking about, then I will look for a guide. But I am going to try it at least once or twice before I give in. Sepherot, 8 new guys in DF. 3 wipes, talked every wipe, then we cleared it.

[Grumbie]

Now I'm dreading the day when I run out of story quests...

[loreleidiangelo]

Going to do Midas normal for the first time today cuz I've been busy with work and haven't had time to do much beyond daily experts. I might be able to get a full FC group, but it's likely that we'll have to DF one or two people, and so help me god if they launch into an unwanted explanation of the fights while I'm still watching the frickin' cutscenes I will be pretty upset. I like to observe and learn as I go along. Even for super-old content I still don't offer explanations to new players unless they ask.

[Waryax]

If you want to go in blind and learn it on your own put it up on pf. On df you never know what you'll get either way because we ain't Japan. I can understand the frustration on both sides of the argument. This 'self-destructing community' is how it's been at least since Titan HM anyway.

EDIT: And if you go in expecting that people will tell you how to do it, why don't you just read a guide? It's essentially the same and now you're switching the burden of you learning on the person forced to teach you. If I deliberately wanted to explain some fight I would make A GUIDE for it.

[loreleidiangelo]

If you want to go in blind and learn it on your own put it up on pf. On df you never know what you'll get either way because we ain't Japan. I can understand the frustration on both sides of the argument. This 'self-destructing community' is how it's been at least since Titan HM anyway.

EDIT: And if you go in expecting that people will tell you how to do it, why don't you just read a guide? It's essentially the same and now you're switching the burden of you learning on the person forced to teach you. If I deliberately wanted to explain some fight I would make A GUIDE for it.

If you want to go in with people who know what they're doing, put it in PF. This ain't Japan.

That same non-argument can be used from both sides, lol. And honestly, I can understand frustration with new players in old, obsolete content (though I don't agree with it), but for content that's four days old?

Dying laughing.

[Waryax]

If you want to go in with people who know what they're doing, put it in PF. This ain't Japan.

That same non-argument can be used from both sides, lol. And honestly, I can understand frustration with new players in old, obsolete content (though I don't agree with it), but for content that's four days old?

Dying laughing.

Well I did say you don't know either way, as in you don't know if you get people who know it or people who don't. I don't think going into df you should assume anything at all. I just find going in and then expecting for people to copypaste you a guide to be quite dumb.

[CGMidlander]

The subject of this thread is somewhat bittersweet, I guess I'm just trying to see if anyone else is running into the same toxic clouds that I am.
The main issue I'm getting at the moment is players doing their daily roulette, not reading the gigantic "new player bonus" at the start, or my attempts to advise them that I am currently trying a duty I have no clue about.
This would be no problem at all, if all goes to plan. However, with new mechanics to which the solution is not immediately apparent, there is a fair chance someone will cock up, or miss something. It is at this point that certain players feel the need to explode into an incandescent ball of rage and possibly neckbeards. NOT HELPFUL.
Is it really just me? or has anyone else got any crackers where after playing seven thousand hours straight, someone doesnt have the time to type "just focus down X enemy".

You're being melodramatic. The community is not out of expectations for an internet-based one.

[vp_cmc]

I was doing new fights completely blind.. with my static. All 8 people don't know what to do and have to figure how mechanics work. And it was fun. I think it is rude to go DF blind and expect complete strangers to keep waiting until you figure out what to do in the fight. So I recommend having statics for this if you can or create PF groups when you can't ("Sephirot ex first try group. No spoils, going blind", and don't forget to add some of those people to LS or give a friend invite, so you can continue practice next time with about same people).