Dark Knight changes needed

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Hence why I said "mostly."

The problems you perceive in DRK have been proven to not exist, by myself and others, both here and in other threads. Now that you are resorting to invective and attacking my "bad math" (that wasn't even there), and are not even addressing legitimate arguments against the reason for your position, you have effectively lost both the debate and my interest.

Good luck tanking without Dark Arts. You're gonna need it.

Who said I was? Your just putting words in my mouth now to make yourself sound better. :P You DID state math. You said that DARKSIDE "mostly" negated the penalty of something, which is ridiculous.

And unnecessary, because you can have Darkside and Grit on at the same time, thereby (mostly) negating the DPS penalty of Grit.

I must be just making things up, even though you plainly said it! There is no "mostly", you can never NEGATE A PENALTY. It will always reduce overall damage by 20%.

Also, as I stated again. You have not linked where your getting this information your throwing in my face. When I asked for it '3 times' and now your good lucking and going. Well, good luck then!

12 of 20 isn't mostly. Its a little more then half actually.

[Maero]

You, sir, are simply amazing. I'd hate to send you shopping for oranges, because you'd bring back apples.

Omg laughed hard at this, but yet it is so true

[Kenji1134]

Wow am I late to this one... Just wanna throw some math out there.

DRK: Grit + Darkside = 0.8 * 1.15 = 0.92x
WAR: Defiance + Maim = 0.75 * 1.2 = 0.9x
PLD: Shield Oath = 0.85x

So actually DRK has the most optimal tank dps combination.
They also have higher potencies on their overall combos, and have Scourge to level out Goring Blade somewhat. Maybe not entirely with the Goring buff, but mostly. Much like WAR has higher potency on several of its attacks, Fracture, and better dps CDs.
Basically the only major dps difference between the 3 atm is that WAR has 2 DPS CD's, PLD has 1, and DRK has DA, which can be very situational at times.

That said, A8, first part of the fight, whole lotta magic damage, and a magic mit debuff too!
Sounds kind of familiar doesnt it?

[Galgarion]

Personally, now that tanking out of grit will get you C-R-U-N-C-H-E-D, I don't see any reason not to have blood weapon available while main tanking.

[MoarLegion]

Personally, now that tanking out of grit will get you C-R-U-N-C-H-E-D, I don't see any reason not to have blood weapon available while main tanking.

Not really. Tankbuster damage still happens on a schedule, cleaves are pretty scheduled too. As long as you back it up with minor cooldowns you can still spend plenty of time out of grit. The biggest issue is that threat generation out of grit is pathetic now.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Blood Weapon usable in Grit makes a lot of sense honestly.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Wow am I late to this one... Just wanna throw some math out there.

DRK: Grit + Darkside = 0.8 * 1.15 = 0.92x
WAR: Defiance + Maim = 0.75 * 1.2 = 0.9x
PLD: Shield Oath = 0.85x

So actually DRK has the most optimal tank dps combination.
They also have higher potencies on their overall combos, and have Scourge to level out Goring Blade somewhat. Maybe not entirely with the Goring buff, but mostly. Much like WAR has higher potency on several of its attacks, Fracture, and better dps CDs.
Basically the only major dps difference between the 3 atm is that WAR has 2 DPS CD's, PLD has 1, and DRK has DA, which can be very situational at times.

That said, A8, first part of the fight, whole lotta magic damage, and a magic mit debuff too!
Sounds kind of familiar doesnt it?

Paladin: Shield Oath+FoF=1.105x

[TouchandFeel]

Paladin+FoF=1.105x

For 30 seconds every 90 seconds, meaning a 33% up-time versus a potential and preferable 100% uptime for Darkside and Maim.

So ((0.85x2)+(0.85x1.3)/3)= (1.7+1.105)/3=0.935

Which equates to a slightly higher overall damage multiplier (in a number crunching vacuum) than the other tanks, but balances out with other factors such as more offensive OGCD abilities, DA buffed attacks, etc.

So in the end they are close but just slightly behind in dps compared to the other tanks when MT.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

For 30 seconds every 90 seconds, meaning a 33% up-time versus a potential and preferable 100% uptime for Darkside and Maim.

So ((0.85x2)+(0.85x1.3)/3)= (1.7+1.105)/3=0.935

Which equates to a slightly higher overall damage multiplier than the other tanks, but balances out with other factors such as more offensive OGCD abilities, DA buffed attacks, etc.

So in the end they are close but just slightly behind in dps compared to the other tanks when MT.

Yes, but remember you can use it when you need to. Like when you switch to Sword oath for a short period.

[Syzygian]

Paladin: Shield Oath+FoF=1.105x

Hot DAMN. PLDs, pack your bags and transfer to Balmung, FoF has 100% uptime there.

Balmung PLD Mecca confirmed.