Why should warriors get a free pass to all savage content?

[Valkyrie-Amber]

Just as title says because I have yet to see many party’s that say go PLD/DRK

it’s always a war and war or maybe war and drk or pld.

Why do wars always have spot number 1 in all party compositions?

Sure they have best utilities and all but we would love balance to make all tanks viable.

[Ragology]

All tanks are viable, but some tanks are more viable than others.

[Starbirth]

The problem comes down to Warrior being the best OT and a pretty damn good MT as well.

[Launched]

It's because DRK is a horribly designed job that was designed to be too similar to PLD, so those two compete for a spot. It's like if AST had no stances and was always in Diurnal stance so it could never replace SCH.

[Kuwagami]

with dps not being an issue anymore (if SE didn't screw up, but I think they learned the lesson from the AS3/4 fiasco), there is no need for WAR/DRK anymore. PLD/DRK is viable again even in progression (less dps but doesn't matter in mechanic driven fights)

[Starbirth]

with dps not being an issue anymore (if SE didn't screw up, but I think they learned the lesson from the AS3/4 fiasco), there is no need for WAR/DRK anymore. PLD/DRK is viable again even in progression (less dps but doesn't matter in mechanic driven fights)

Problem is WAR OT has more utility than DRK OT. Now the dream team is looking like PLD/WAR.

[Kuwagami]

Problem is WAR OT has more utility than DRK OT. Now the dream team is looking like PLD/WAR.

have a NIN in team and no need for WAR anymore ? NIN/DRK is a viable alternative to MNK/WAR

don't get me wrong. WAR is in a nice spot right now because it's better designed than the other 2 in terms of raid balance. But it's in no way a reserved spot if the dps isn't an issue anymore

[Reynhart]

have a NIN in team and no need for WAR anymore ? NIN/DRK is a viable alternative to MNK/WAR

They should swap either one potency or one effect so that slashing debuff is part of the optimal DPS rotation for NIN wether or not there's a WAR.

I'm pretty sure people would fine very funny that you'd need to adjust multiple jobs to be able to take down WAR from its mandatory spot

As for DPS, even if it's not an "issue", who would chose to kill things slower if they can have a WAR ?
It's not as if PLD or DRK offer something more or as much as WAR...and that's the problem.

[Launched]

As for DPS, even if it's not an "issue", who would chose to kill things slower if they can have a WAR ?
It's not as if PLD or DRK offer something more or as much as WAR...and that's the problem.

Groups do that all the time. In 3.0/3.1 plenty of groups took a MNK instead of DRG or NIN even though that worked out as less raidwide dps and the INT debuff was covered by a DRK already in the group. Groups took SMN over BLM in single target fights, MCH over BRD, AST over WHM or SCH. Any of those meant you weren't optimising your group, yet somehow taking PLD (or PLD+DRK) is absolutely awful and meant that you'd be weeks behind?

[Reynhart]

Any of those meant you weren't optimising your group, yet somehow taking PLD (or PLD+DRK) is absolutely awful and meant that you'd be weeks behind?

The problem lies with the world first race.
Those top players discovered than PLD can be a liability on extreme situations, and then, suddenly, it seems like PLD is the worst job ever.
I'm sure that, were Lucrezia or Elysium decided to swap a BLM for a SMN, even BLM would be "dead" in those parts.

Hivemind at its finest. Good luck to revert that back, now