[spoilers]3.2 MSQ Discussion/Reaction thread

[Fenral]

I mean sure, sacrificing Minfilia isn't nice, but it seems more like an act of desperation to me... How the Scions react is questionable, but I can hardly fault Hydaelyn for that, and I can hardly complain at Hydaelyn sacrificing one person, when Ascians have a body count beyond counting...

Our body count is not small, either, sorry. Not calamitous, sure, but we haven't been at it as long. There is a difference between what the Ascians do and what Hydaelyn did, and what Hydaelyn did is worse. For the Ascians, killing humans is no different than killing those claimed by a primal: just part of the war. Hydaelyn more or less ate her most loyal follower. When a villain proves how evil they are by killing one of their minions once they've served their purpose? This is that. It just happened to be the "good guys" doing it, so we want to make excuses.

[Theodric]

Our body count is not small, either, sorry. Not calamitous, sure, but we haven't been at it as long. There is a difference between what the Ascians do and what Hydaelyn did, and what Hydaelyn did is worse. For the Ascians, killing humans is no different than killing those claimed by a primal: just part of the war. Hydaelyn more or less ate her most loyal follower. When a villain proves how evil they are by killing one of their minions once they've served their purpose? This is that. It just happened to be the "good guys" doing it, so we want to make excuses.

This also ties in with Hydaelyn's approach of shielding Krile and letting everybody else perish back in Val. I know I keep going on about it but...it's just really, really dubious. We can't save everybody, sure, but if given the choice how many lives would the Scions/WoL cast aside in favour of saving one individual?

[Nalien]

Hydaelyn more or less ate her most loyal follower. When a villain proves how evil they are by killing one of their minions once they've served their purpose? This is that. It just happened to be the "good guys" doing it, so we want to make excuses.

Is it? What was Hydaelyn trying to prove by having Minfilia sacrificed? All I'm seeing is an act of sheer desperation, she couldn't even muster the power to whisk Minfilia off herself, she had to hijack Flow. All this was done simply to come into contact with us again, since she didn't even have the power for that anymore... It's certainly regrettable, but given she got cut off mid sentence as it is, it's probably best that she didn't waste any time apologizing for the obvious dick move.

I mean really... Lets forget any agenda Hydaelyn or Elidibus might have... Who benefits from Minfilia being sacrificed exactly? I'd say Elidibus, he benefits from the grief we should feel, it makes for a more compelling argument for us not to trust Hydaelyn, we wouldn't even be having this conversation were that not the case. Either Hydaelyn and Elidibus are in cahoots, or this was simply just a final desperate attempt on Hydaelyns part... By her own account she'd been failing for eras...

This also ties in with Hydaelyn's approach of shielding Krile and letting everybody else perish back in Val. I know I keep going on about it but...it's just really, really dubious. We can't save everybody, sure, but if given the choice how many lives would the Scions/WoL cast aside in favour of saving one individual?

It's a simple case of Hydaelyn being drained... She no longer has any power left, after Praetorium she wasn't even able to communicate with us anymore. Lahabrea very much succeeded in what he set out to do with Ultima. Protecting Krile (which given Krile was knocked out for all this time, seems like a significant step down from the protection we received) and telling Minfilia to run back where last ditch efforts to get us to come find her ourselves; Krile had the knowledge to figure everything out, and she knew we'd come looking for Minfilia. It was seemingly the only method of contacting us left available to her... She even failed in that arguably, I don't really feel any the wiser for our (final?) meeting... She ran out of power before telling us what to do next...