Mentoring: perhaps we're better off without it

[Jetstream_Fox]

Good thing the mentor system also requires players to have commendations -- votes from other players that they did well in a party. And 1,000 dungeon runs to ensure the player has a lot of experience running the game dungeons

1000 instances ran doesn't mean you exactly know what to do in every instance, I have upwards to 2000 and if you asked me how to do The Dragon's Neck you're sol because I one and done that fight.

Also commendations aren't a good thing to measure either as tanks and healers are basically guaranteed them. Plus not to mention the times you get stuck with a group all leveling together and they commend you because they can't give themselves one.

These are examples that show flaws that further prove why the system is flawed from the start.

[Pells]

1000 instances ran doesn't mean you exactly know what to do in every instance, I have upwards to 2000 and if you asked me how to do The Dragon's Neck you're sol because I one and done that fight.

Also commendations aren't a good thing to measure either as tanks and healers are basically guaranteed them. Plus not to mention the times you get stuck with a group all leveling together and they commend you because they can't give themselves one.

These are examples that show flaws that further prove why the system is flawed from the start.

If you're even halfway competent, by the time you get both a tank and healer to 60, you should already have the commendations.

[Jetstream_Fox]

If you're even halfway competent, by the time you get both a tank and healer to 60, you should already have the commendations.

Did...? Did you not read? I said examples of why commendations don't equate to skill. You can join a DF in progress as a DPS first time running a dungeon, clear the final boss and only the final boss and get commendations. I've had instances where I joined in progress as a tank and the group was already in the middle of the final boss because they felt they could beat it and got a commendation for watching 2 DPS and a Healer win the fight. People throw commendations around all the time because they hold no true merit outside of glamour items and a mount.

[Reinha]

Did...? Did you not read? I said examples of why commendations don't equate to skill. --

I think commendations are still a far better metric for mentors than dungeon count. They can't be obtained in a full premade, they can't be farmed unsynched, and the rate you get them is proportional to how you behave and whether you have at least average performance. You can also get comms in guild hests, content which is very relevant to a sproutling player, yet guildhests don't affect the dungeon count at all. Imo the requiment should have been 1000 comms and 300 dungeons and not vice versa.

[Toguro]

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Except comms can be farmed easily by tanking/healing in those guildhests. Tried and tested. You can get tons for pretty much nothing.

[Reinha]

Except comms can be farmed easily by tanking/healing in those guildhests. Tried and tested. You can get tons for pretty much nothing.

It's still more effort than running unsynched Ifrit to gain dungeon count, if we're looking at the easiest methods. Those runs take 17 seconds and don't require you to follow tactics or tank/heal. A higher commendation requirement would ensure that mentors have played with random players beyond the leveling process of 3 classes.