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[Kaurie]

- They have already explained the issue they have with a glamour storage tab/system. Its something they are going to have resolve at some point but they have outright said they aren't working on something like this at the moment. If that changes I suspect we will still not see anything for quite a long time. It took over 2 years for World of Warcraft to implement its Wardrobe system from when they first mentioned they were working on it.

Conversely, it took Guild Wars 2 less than 2 years from its launch (August 2012) to release a wardrobe system (April 2014). I can't seem to find anything earlier than March 2014 for any sort of announcement.

I didn't say "exclusive," I said unique. As in, now that they can be dyed, they lose their unique appearance. It's the same as when we got access to augmented AFs, and they lost their uniqueness. Certain things should stay undyeable.

They really should force us to have the undyeable versions, though. They should draw a line and say "You don't get to have everything you want 100% customizable." The more they cater to us, the more entitled we feel and the more we bitch at them when we don't deserve to.

I still cannot fathom how having the ability to make things more individualized per person results in less uniqueness? i.e. Say 100 people have the Miqo'te skirt. Currently, they are all red. In the patch, maybe 40 will be red, 10 will be yellow, 15 will be green, 25 will be blue, 5 will be pink and 5 will be white. Those 5 people with white miqo'te skirts are certainly more unique than they were previously being the 1 of 100 people in red skirts. No?

Like the only way I see what you're saying make sense for it being more unique now, is that it's unique in the sense that you cannot dye it. That's not a very good way to be unique.

[Vinta]

Like the only way I see what you're saying make sense for it being more unique now, is that it's unique in the sense that you cannot dye it. That's not a very good way to be unique.

It's not about the people being unique, it's about the equipment being unique. It takes away from the piece of gear's uniqueness by being able to dye it.

[Kaurie]

It's not about the people being unique, it's about the equipment being unique. It takes away from the piece of gear's uniqueness by being able to dye it.

Indeed, which is the precisely what I suggest in the part you quoted. "Like the only way I see what you're saying make sense for it being more unique now, is that it's unique in the sense that you cannot dye it. That's not a very good way to be unique."

[Vinta]

Indeed, which is the precisely what I suggest in the part you quoted. "Like the only way I see what you're saying make sense for it being more unique now, is that it's unique in the sense that you cannot dye it. That's not a very good way to be unique."

If you take away the unique colors, then they fail to stand out as special pieces of equipment, and just get reduced to their individual parts being hidden and forced to match with other pieces of equipment that it wouldn't otherwise match with.

[Vexander]

It's not about the people being unique, it's about the equipment being unique. It takes away from the piece of gear's uniqueness by being able to dye it.

I can't quite see how. Better for gear to be dye-able rather than to add some max level crafted version which can be dyed, but is still just a copy/paste of the item. Take the Acolyte/Foestriker/Battlemage gear from the low levels. There are level 50 versions of those items which are crafted, and can be dyed, but I'd rather have had new items than a copy/paste and now dye-able version of low level gear. To me, adding a version of the item for the sake of making it dye-able is the antithesis of unique. A unique item shouldn't have duplicates, it should fulfill all functions items are capable of fulfilling, such as being dyed, or casting glamours.

[Vinta]

I can't quite see how. Better for gear to be dye-able rather than to add some max level crafted version which can be dyed, but is still just a copy/paste of the item. Take the Acolyte/Foestriker/Battlemage gear from the low levels. There are level 50 versions of those items which are crafted, and can be dyed, but I'd rather have had new items than a copy/paste and now dye-able version of low level gear. To me, adding a version of the item for the sake of making it dye-able is the antithesis of unique. A unique item shouldn't have duplicates, it should fulfill all functions items are capable of fulfilling, such as being dyed, or casting glamours.

I agree, they shouldn't have added the separate dyeable versions. They shouldn't have made that gear dyeable in the first place.

[Kosmos992k]

It's not about the people being unique, it's about the equipment being unique. It takes away from the piece of gear's uniqueness by being able to dye it.

How in the name of the twelve do you come by that logic? If a piece is un-dye-able, then everyone who has it looks the same, not very unique. But if we can dye the piece, there will be far, far fewer of the same item that look the same, which, believe it or not, makes eachpiece that much rarer based not only on the piece itself, but the color chosen by the wearer. I'm really not sure how you can say that making it possible to alter the base color of an item decreases the uniqueness of it.

[Kosmos992k]

You're viewing it as people being unique instead of the equipment being unique.

I also don't wish to argue with you, I have nothing but hate for you from other glamour-related threads.

You're a charmer. Nothing but Hate? I'm not sure what it is that you think I've done to garner that kind of reaction, but it's your problem, not mine.

You're not talking about the uniqueness of the gear, you're talking about how recognizable and special it is. For example, the original Paladin AF gear. Were there not a dyeable version of it, then everyone wearing it would have the same gear. In that sense it becomes more common place, and therefore less unique. However all the different colored versions of it are less recognizable as the Paladin AF gear, and so it's ability to stand out as that gear is diminished. I think I understand what you're saying about making the RSE dyeable, but I don't think the uniqueness of the gear is diminished by changing it's color.

On the other hand, I think you could argue that making such gear dyeable diminishes it's stature because it becomes less recognizable as that specific set of gear. I don't necessarily agree with that point of view however, but I think there's definitely a discussion to be had there.

However from a purely logical point of view, the RSE gear should be dyeable since it's simply regular clothing, not gear made from super rare, magical, perhaps mythical material which it would logically speaking, be very difficult to recolor without altering some other property of the material.

But then I've always had a problem taking my relic and uber-rare gear to the local hammer pounding thugs for repair. I mean if you had a Katana made by Fujiwara Kanenaga in the 17th century, would you take it to Lowes to get it's blade sharpened?

By comparison the RSE is basic gear that can be made by any low level weaver and leatherworker. So, what's wrong with it being possible to dye it?