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  1. #21
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    technole's Avatar
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    Thea Sitori
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    Scholar Lv 72
    I saw a stream where a BLM was missing several times in Thordan EX, and their DPS really started to suffer. In-which they had mostly 210 gear however they were loaded in Diadem 210 right sides but they were really starved for ACC altogether in stats. Basically they were below the T13 cap. Yes, they wouldn't have enough for any of Alex Savage. All that SS and Crit build-up in stats they preferred doesn't mean jack if they can't hit.

    Basically ACC is there so you can't cheese up gearing with all the 2nd stats you prefer. I get why they do this on the healer side because they trying not to encourage outright healer DPS in end-game, or simply using the off-healer job as a DPS in disguise. So likely having to deal with likely a 70%+ hit-rate. Add enough ACC overmelds and you can be in the 90%+ realm. That can be a steep difference if you are into world/server-first progression where everything counts in undergeared levels.

    I don't personally like that healer accuracy is low. I've always been fine with the healer DPS to push progression and/or make end-game fights much easier to clear. But at the end of the day when a Scholar will report 10 or more misses even with Bard's Rain of Death. You realize the amount of MP and GCDs wasted on Broil with the possible risk taken can be rather lame. Even more so when you have that rite-of-passage 1% wipe.

    We all know once the anima step allows us to meld our own materia stats, ACC will become the preferred stat, again, on Scholar books. Materia slots on new gear likely will become ACC BiS as well, unless Crit is starved again.
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  2. #22
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Mateus
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Raminax View Post
    According to this post here, forbidden melding will apparently be unavailable for gear that isn't crafted. Thinking positively, I guess we could enjoy 18 slots at best (2 per weapon and armour slot, 1 for belts and each accessory).

    On the other hand, if you have several Gil capped retainers... I guess you could start Midas with fully crafted and melded gear?
    Upon doing a search, I agree there is no information that Tome/Raid gear is confirmed to have advanced Materia melding. However, that source listed also does not deny that Tome/Raid is going to have advanced Materia melding either.

    Another quick search on Reddit / Google doesn't confirm or deny either, so I'm still hopeful for overmelding on Tome/Raid gear.

    So far, as far as I can see the only thing that's been confirmed is: "Primary stat materia can only go in normal materia slots (not forbidden slots)".

    If anyone can point to another source that clearly says "There will be no forbidden melds on Raid / Tome (non-crafted) gear", I would appreciate that
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    Last edited by Ghishlain; 02-11-2016 at 04:03 AM.

  3. #23
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    Shinonome Sanada
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    Phoenix
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    Conjurer Lv 92
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    Rawr.
    At the very bottom of this post is this little paragraph.

    I’m sure there are many of you concerned about what will happen to the prices of materia, but from Patch 3.2 onwards, we will be adding materia slots to raid rewards and equipment that can be purchased with Allagan tomestones. While it won’t be possible to advance materia meld them, you will be able to increase the stats with the materia that you like.
    (I'm assuming advanced melding=forbidden melding, considering the rest of the section.)

    I've also skimmed through the digests of the more recent Live Letters, but they barely have anything to say about materia, besides increasing the availability of higher rank ones.

    Also, being excited for forbidden melding? That's a first for me.
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  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raminax View Post
    At the very bottom of this post is this little paragraph.

    (I'm assuming advanced melding=forbidden melding, considering the rest of the section.)

    I've also skimmed through the digests of the more recent Live Letters, but they barely have anything to say about materia, besides increasing the availability of higher rank ones.

    Also, being excited for forbidden melding? That's a first for me.
    Hmmm, definitely must've misread that. When I read the whole block of information together, I just kinda clicked that they were saying "You wouldn't be able to advance materia meld them" with them = primary stat Materia. lol.

    I can see where that's coming from now. Thanks for correcting the logic in my brain. lol.

    Me excited about forbidden melds (yes, forbidden = advance, I think it was used as a term somewhere somehow at one point, lol)? Hmmm, maybe not excited, but I liked the prospect of being to slot lots of ACC / Crit into my gear and less about the cost. I guess that opportunity is a bit more ruined now though, lol. Ah well~
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  5. #25
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    I suppose it is a downer. But methinks that 216 accuracy (assuming my optimism is right) will carry us forward a fair bit. Just a shame you give up a lot of crit/det/sps for it.

    Squeenix is probably just trying to make crafted gear more relevant for longer periods. A potential 60 materia slots is pretty crazy (assuming there are craftable items for every single slot), even if secondaries have lost a lot of value in comparison to primary stats.
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  6. #26
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    Saoghal Fuadan
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    Raiden
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    I don't really get why we have so many ACC problems.
    To add to all the DPS spells missing, SCH can miss Energy Drain and say goodbye to almost 900 MP they would've gained from that.
    And for a healer, to have a MP recovery tool bound to acc, with no acc on healer gear at the start of every expansion (if we're going to endlessly see the 2.x cycle every time) it's unexcusable.
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    I gave up on expecting tank/healer balance after SB.

  7. #27
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    Koromo Amae
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    just to say
    Quote Originally Posted by Ranulf View Post
    Aero III Miss!
    Aero II Miss!
    Aero Miss!
    Stone III Miss!
    is not so bad, but i die every time i see "assize miss!" -.-
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  8. #28
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    Scholar Lv 100
    I don't see why cleric stance couldn't increase accuracy by 5% just like tank stances. Make it happen SE!
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  9. #29
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    Seolla Viltara
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    Every time I miss with Energy Drain I cry a little on the inside.
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  10. #30
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    Grimmjow Jaggerjaques
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dragoon Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Sidra View Post
    Assuming it doesn't show up on 3.2 gear naturally, healers will be able to meld accuracy onto tome and raid gear. That being said, 15 slots at 12 accuracy per, I am not sure if 180 would be enough
    Fun fact, that amount of accuracy, plus the 354 base, comes to 544, which is 4 more than the caster cap for A4S. That may mean you can't reach cap for A5-8, but you'll have a very high percentage.
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