Live Letter 3.2 tank changes, vit effects tank attack

[TheUltimateSeph]

You're not a competent healer if you don't contribute during down time.

Believe me I know how to put out dps on my WHM. If I choose not to if anything it makes me lazy, not incompetent. And your statement is just false overall. If healers dpsing was never in the original design plan then a healer choosing to not dps isn't even lazy. A healer who does choose to dps can simply be labeled as extraordinary, as opposed to the healer who only heals and keeps everyone alive. They could be labeled as merely good.

[Andrea]

My argument for healers not dpsing -->

My argument for healers Dpsing --> It promotes lazy healers for one. They see the tank barely taking damage and are like.."Guess I can just sit here not contributing to the run at all." For two, I am a firm believer that they did not give us DPS spells for MSQ progression. If that was the case, why so many? why not give the healers something they'd use in a duty? you know, the places you spend 99% of the time in this game? WHM has 8 DPS skills, SCH 10. Why so many for as you put it "just progressing through MSQ"?

I would also argue that there are times when you should not do DPS as a healer (cause I know this would be said against me.) For example, you're new to healers and are learning. Sure you could learn to DPS at the same time but most probably will learn to heal then add DPS to it when they realise "Hey, im standing around a lot." Any healer that has i210 gear, claims that they know how to heal or are good at healing and the tank isn't pulling the entire dungeon in one pull should be DPSing. If not they aren't a good healer. They are doing the minimum to pass as a healer. That isn't something that makes someone good. Knowing when to DPS and when to heal is what makes a good healer.

[Kosmos992k]

You're not a competent healer if you don't contribute during down time.

Oh god, not this stupidity again. Dealing damage as a healer is a nice to have.

Rule #1 before demanding a healer also does damage, you better make damn sure you're rotation is close to optimal.
Rule #2 before demanding tanks use STR gear and dps stance, you better make damn sure you're rotation is close to optional.

Outside of end-game content the only Damage Dealers whining about healer dps, or tanks not using their dps stance are poor at their job and just looking for someone to cover their ass.

[Andrea]

Outside of end-game content the only Damage Dealers whining about healer dps, or tanks not using their dps stance are poor at their job and just looking for someone to cover their ass.

In an ideal world both rule 1 and 2 shouldn't matter as I personally believe everyone should be doing as much as they can to contribute to the run. IDK call me crazy I guess.

Also Im not really looking for people to cover my ass, more people just respecting each other and doing something if they know they can do it. Again probably crazy.

[SpookyGhost]

I understand in dungeons because they're baby easy, but it's super weird to me that people consider healer DPS a 'luxury' in raids and that because it isn't necessary to clear the fight, then there's no need to do it. Surely they must realize that adding to group DPS when it doesn't affect anyone's survivability & doesn't result in net group DPS loss... is a positive thing. And you're in a group, with 7 other people, who want to kill the boss. I'm pretty sure if 2 healers came up to anyone and one said "I won't DPS, I'll just heal" and the other one said "I'll DPS, but I won't let anyone die" that person would take the latter.

[Kosmos992k]

In an ideal world both rule 1 and 2 shouldn't matter as I personally believe everyone should be doing as much as they can to contribute to the run. IDK call me crazy I guess.

Also Im not really looking for people to cover my ass, more people just respecting each other and doing something if they know they can do it. Again probably crazy.

I get that, and I agree that ideally everyone does what they can, that's part of team work and taking pride in your performance. But that's not what I am talking about, outside of end game anyone expressing that as a demand of others is doing it wrong.

I understand in dungeons because they're baby easy, but it's super weird to me that people consider healer DPS a 'luxury' in raids

I specifically said OUTSIDE of end-game.

[DragonSlayer45]

And if you missed it cuz a boss turned, there goes your deeps, same with impulse drive.

So if you had a tank who liked to spin mobs or the bosses tended to turn to attack another player, you couldn't get off a combo, or get your damage buff.

It was an awful system

God... I still have Turn 7 nightmares as my Dragoon whenever I tried to use a positional, Melusine would turn around to flame someone and make me miss it. Good riddance.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Reality.

It's a sad fact, but the sheer reality is that so long as healers continue to dps, the actual DPS aren't gonna be motivated to learn to play better because they'll always have someone that'll cover for them. After all, if someone else can do it, why should they get better?

[Andrea]

It's a sad fact, but the sheer reality is that so long as healers continue to dps, the actual DPS aren't gonna be motivated to learn to play better because they'll always have someone that'll cover for them. After all, if someone else can do it, why should they get better?

IDK where people get this mentality. If you think healers DPSing are to blame for some DPS being bad IDK what to tell you.

Hell the people that are covering bad DPS are the good DPS lol. Just running one run with a parser tells you this, seeing one at 1000+ the other at 400 or something. Even worse in raids.

[PArcher]

IDK where people get this mentality. If you think healers DPSing are to blame for some DPS being bad IDK what to tell you.

Hell the people that are covering bad DPS are the good DPS lol. Just running one run with a parser tells you this, seeing one at 1000+ the other at 400 or something. Even worse in raids.

There will be some who think this, but it is ultimately not to blame.

Bad DPS will always be bad DPS, especially since they think people won't notice them. That's the real cause; its easy to see when a heal or tank isn't up to par, but a DPS? You may be able to see a problem with the group DPS, but its hard to say who is the problem without a parser (which you can't use to prove they're bad) sometimes (aggro bars tell the story most of the time, though)


Too many people are just looking for a carry, and not trying.