Thread: Live Letter 3.2 tank changes, vit effects tank attack

Originally Posted by PArcher

I'm fully expecting bosses to do a *lot* more damage than they are now.

Part of me isn't sure we'll see a significant increase in boss damage. I have to assume that they tuned Gordias Savage with a baseline of Fending accessories for tanks, which suggests at least a bit that they expected/wanted tanks to have bigger HP pools relative to the tank buster damage in the first place.

I do still lean toward the idea that we'll see damage increase somewhat, but I can also reasonably see why the damage may not change, proportionately.

Originally Posted by Alahra

Part of me isn't sure we'll see a significant increase in boss damage. I have to assume that they tuned Gordias Savage with a baseline of Fending accessories for tanks, which suggests at least a bit that they expected/wanted tanks to have bigger HP pools relative to the tank buster damage in the first place.

I do still lean toward the idea that we'll see damage increase somewhat, but I can also reasonably see why the damage may not change, proportionately.

IDK. With the DPS checks they had, I'm sure they were at least expecting melded accessories, or a mix of STR and VIT (rather than the 1 melded/4 STR or full STR we use now). The tank busters were also just *easy* to mitigate in DPS stance (except for a couple in A4S, and once you got past 2 stacks in A3S. I mean, you have Vengeance and Thrill up for every Plasma in A1S; too easy), and when I'm topped off in defiance for the missiles in A4S I don't *need* to use cooldowns at all (they do about 13-15K unmitigated. Yes, I still try to have something up because healers are always busy in that fight, and my WHM has no problems with letting me die to stupid)

Sure someone mentioned it already, but the tank-busters in Coil were real tank busters. You had to have full VIT, use cooldowns, and have Stoneskin and Adlo to survive some of them while progressing. That's the kind of thing we need again.

Originally Posted by PArcher

IDK. With the DPS checks they had, I'm sure they were at least expecting melded accessories, or a mix of STR and VIT (rather than the 1 melded/4 STR or full STR we use now).

The main reason I don't think this to be the case is that they didn't change anything about tank loot priority, though. They had a natural progression curve in mind and tanks were still unable to Need on Slaying gear, so I'd imagine they did their testing assuming that tanks would be taking the accessories that were what they had Need access to. If they had really intended for tanks to use Slaying accessories in any capacity, they probably would have also changed loot priorities in general. Given that they specifically mentioned not wanting pentamelds to feel like they were required back when they announced changes to tank damage were coming, I also rather doubt they balanced around them specifically, either.

Originally Posted by PArcher

A lot of STR tanks stay out of tank stance more than VIT tanks, and often use less cool-downs (often either thinking they're godly for being STR tanks and too good for mitigation, or expecting their heals to carry them). Both of which will make them squishier.

Granted, a lot of VIT tanks are newer, so just aren't as geared or as good (which is where their squishiness comes from). But geared VIT tanks tend to be more conservative, staying in tank stance more, and [over]use CDs.

Yes, a good STR tank, using tank stance and CDs properly, will be just as "tanky" as a VIT tank. I'm one of them. But when I heal in the DF, I see too many bad STR tanks to count.

This. It makes me feel warm inside when I run into a STR tank who knows how to play. Most just seem to be DPS who fate leveled and saw the big pulls people can do and copy that. A tank who who doesn't use CD isn't a tank, just a dps with some hp and a shorter queue time.

I've actually recieved hate for saying this exact phrase to some:
"I don't mind healing you in Deliverance, but please use defensive CD."

With that being the first thing said, so no other tone set.

Originally Posted by Akuryu

With tank damage scaling off VIT, there is no longer any excuse for a tank doing poor DPS. HP vs DPS is no longer an argument. You have both. Get to work.
With tanks having so much extra HP now, there is no longer any excuse for a healer not to contribute significant DPS. Tank has 30k HP. Don't just stand there. Get to work.

Pretty much strengthens the idea that we are all DPS, just tanks and healers have extra responsibilities.

I would probably wait to see just how the adjustments pan out before assuming tanks will be High hp dps gods now. Though unless they lower a lot of the current DPS checks, it should be on a similar scale to now. If it is a straight swap, a lot of content got that much easier due to the extra cushion, and I don't think they want that, unless they just write it off as old content and let it ride.

Actually the higher HP goes the more disparity for scholar heals. I guess they are the real losers for all of this. Emergency tactics should have been more like divine seal to actually be useful in an emergency, maybe even +15% cure pot and +15% galvanize... Then dissipation becomes irrelevant. I don't even like the idea of using that one, unless you can spare a swiftcast to resummon after. Then you won't be able to raise while its down. Tough call.

/thread derail.