Live Letter 3.2 tank changes, vit effects tank attack

[TheUltimateSeph]

This means healers have no excuse to not dps now that tanks will have all this extra HP to spare. No excuses whatsoever.

Sure we still have an excuse. I chose to play a healer because I didn't want to dps. Therefore I won't dps on my healer unless I feel like it and everyone will have to deal with it or kick me and hope they get another competent healer who can at least keep them alive. I'll take great pleasure in knowing that I can instantly queue for another duty after being kicked while the people who kicked me are stuck waiting for another healer to jip.

My argument for healers not dpsing --> It promotes lazy dps for one, they see the healer dpsing and think "Oh look I can slack off more cause the healer is gonna pick it up anyway!" For two I am a firm believer that the ONLY reason healers originally got dps abilities is because they could not progress through the MSQ without them. The devs obviously had to give healers some way to do damage so they could progress and level up in solo content. Duties were never originally designed with healer dps in mind at all. It was the players who adopted and started enforcing that meta and the devs began to conform to player desires in HW by making content with higher dps checks that healers would be expected to help bridge. Ironically they got masses of people complaining that the dps checks in Alexander Savage were too tight.

[Dhex]

I chose to play a healer because I didn't want to dps. Therefore I won't dps on my healer unless I feel like it and everyone will have to deal with it or kick me and hope they get another competent healer who can at least keep them alive.

You're not a competent healer if you don't contribute during down time.

[TheUltimateSeph]

You're not a competent healer if you don't contribute during down time.

Believe me I know how to put out dps on my WHM. If I choose not to if anything it makes me lazy, not incompetent. And your statement is just false overall. If healers dpsing was never in the original design plan then a healer choosing to not dps isn't even lazy. A healer who does choose to dps can simply be labeled as extraordinary, as opposed to the healer who only heals and keeps everyone alive. They could be labeled as merely good.

[Kosmos992k]

You're not a competent healer if you don't contribute during down time.

Oh god, not this stupidity again. Dealing damage as a healer is a nice to have.

Rule #1 before demanding a healer also does damage, you better make damn sure you're rotation is close to optimal.
Rule #2 before demanding tanks use STR gear and dps stance, you better make damn sure you're rotation is close to optional.

Outside of end-game content the only Damage Dealers whining about healer dps, or tanks not using their dps stance are poor at their job and just looking for someone to cover their ass.

[Andrea]

Outside of end-game content the only Damage Dealers whining about healer dps, or tanks not using their dps stance are poor at their job and just looking for someone to cover their ass.

In an ideal world both rule 1 and 2 shouldn't matter as I personally believe everyone should be doing as much as they can to contribute to the run. IDK call me crazy I guess.

Also Im not really looking for people to cover my ass, more people just respecting each other and doing something if they know they can do it. Again probably crazy.

[Kosmos992k]

In an ideal world both rule 1 and 2 shouldn't matter as I personally believe everyone should be doing as much as they can to contribute to the run. IDK call me crazy I guess.

Also Im not really looking for people to cover my ass, more people just respecting each other and doing something if they know they can do it. Again probably crazy.

I get that, and I agree that ideally everyone does what they can, that's part of team work and taking pride in your performance. But that's not what I am talking about, outside of end game anyone expressing that as a demand of others is doing it wrong.

I understand in dungeons because they're baby easy, but it's super weird to me that people consider healer DPS a 'luxury' in raids

I specifically said OUTSIDE of end-game.

[Lexia]

Oh god, not this stupidity again. Dealing damage as a healer is a nice to have.

Rule #1 before demanding a healer also does damage, you better make damn sure you're rotation is close to optimal.
Rule #2 before demanding tanks use STR gear and dps stance, you better make damn sure you're rotation is close to optional.

Outside of end-game content the only Damage Dealers whining about healer dps, or tanks not using their dps stance are poor at their job and just looking for someone to cover their ass.

This is true cause cause if the dps not putting out the best they can they can't really complain because then the healer dps is not really adding anything to the party is just making up for what the dps is not putting out.

[Jynx]

Oh god, not this stupidity again. Dealing damage as a healer is a nice to have.

As far as pre-endgame dungeons go having a DPS who can actually do GOOD damage is also just "nice to have" as the DPS thresholds for these dungeons is next to auto-attacking everything.

It's a double edged sword to say your DPS is not required when in reality neither is the DPS's needed to do anywhere near their potential to complete duty finder content. I'm not defending lazy players they are plague and hurt the community, but it's part of the base design of the game that allows them to be like this. The problem needs to be dealt with at it's source not on the surface.

[Andrea]

My argument for healers not dpsing -->

My argument for healers Dpsing --> It promotes lazy healers for one. They see the tank barely taking damage and are like.."Guess I can just sit here not contributing to the run at all." For two, I am a firm believer that they did not give us DPS spells for MSQ progression. If that was the case, why so many? why not give the healers something they'd use in a duty? you know, the places you spend 99% of the time in this game? WHM has 8 DPS skills, SCH 10. Why so many for as you put it "just progressing through MSQ"?

I would also argue that there are times when you should not do DPS as a healer (cause I know this would be said against me.) For example, you're new to healers and are learning. Sure you could learn to DPS at the same time but most probably will learn to heal then add DPS to it when they realise "Hey, im standing around a lot." Any healer that has i210 gear, claims that they know how to heal or are good at healing and the tank isn't pulling the entire dungeon in one pull should be DPSing. If not they aren't a good healer. They are doing the minimum to pass as a healer. That isn't something that makes someone good. Knowing when to DPS and when to heal is what makes a good healer.