Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Jynx]

Someone in another thread one day made a comparison about playing a soccer game.

The whole sports analogy falls flat. You wouldn't play soccer with Ski boots jim again would you?

The duty finder allows ski boots jim to do his thing. Grouping with unknown people who can't be held accountable for anything is the problem.

The Duty Finder and how content is designed around a no one left behind we all get gold stars mentality. Is the problem.

[Kaurie]

The whole sports analogy falls flat. You wouldn't play soccer with Ski boots jim again would you?

The duty finder allows ski boots jim to do his thing. Grouping with unknown people who can't be held accountable for anything is the problem.

The Duty Finder and how content is designed around a no one left behind we all get gold stars mentality. Is the problem.

I am not sure about Soccer in other parts of the world, but in Canada when I was younger there were often 'drop-in' street hockey games. You'd just go out with your gear and play hockey and your neighbours would all start joining in. There was no pre-set group, and everyone around was welcome.

However, if someone showed up with a baseball bat and started whacking at the tennis ball (or whatever you played with) people would probably have been quite upset. Everyone who joined understood how to play and did their best to win with their randomized team. If only DF worked like this.

Note: I have no idea if these still happen, as I have been living in urban apartments and am a full-grown adult now. I'm sure kids do this though, it would be sad if they don't

[Fyce]

The whole sports analogy falls flat. You wouldn't play soccer with Ski boots jim again would you?

The duty finder allows ski boots jim to do his thing. Grouping with unknown people who can't be held accountable for anything is the problem.

The Duty Finder and how content is designed around a no one left behind we all get gold stars mentality. Is the problem.

Why do japanese players manage it fine then? Is their game different than the ones running on EU/NA servers? These are rethorical questions, of course.

Your point is to say that, since the game itself doesn't force DPS to play well and be on par with Tanks and Healers with some mechanics (in terms of responsabilities), then they are forgiven by default if they are underperforming no matter what... But since JP players don't have this issue at all, you cannot exclude the general behaviors and attitude of people to be a big part of the problem.

If our communities (EU/NA) weren't so selfish, we wouldn't need to be forced by the game to do anything, and etiquette would be enough to drive us in the right way, like it does on JP servers. But, I guess you're right in the end, we are a bunch of jerks, and we don't care about it.
However, if a good part of our communities wants to change that by scolding and trying to socialy punish these lazy players who don't care about others, I think it's still the best way to handle it... because let's be frank, the other option to put DPS checks everywhere is some kind of a confession about how we are miserably failing to regulate ourselves socialy.

The devs are already holding our hands quite a lot in this game.

[Vehementi]

The devs are already holding our hands quite a lot in this game.

They really are.. With the exception of WoW dumbing everything down. A lot of MMO's have much more complicated fights. They have many checks needed for raids and even group content.

However, they have a larger party size. Support is an actual role. But.. Everyone will cheese fights and push the line of exploiting, just so it gets done faster.

At the same time because no matter how average a player is. A dungeon run can easily get pulled off by even a squishy dps, pulling off the role as tank who for what ever reason revived rather than waiting to be revived.

Which is why dungeon finder actually works. People use it because we know no matter how bad the team up is.. The run will be a success.

Honestly, those agreeing with the OP is like the guy that complains the cleaners missed the spot under the fridge therefor they don't deserve to be paid. Meanwhile, no matter what they'd never be happy and wouldn't pay at all.