Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[TheUltimateSeph]

where they were spamming Chaos Thrust as a lv 60 Lancer and somehow being proud that they were SIXTH on the enmity list, I'm pretty sure we can all agree that that is laughable at best.

You people and your assumptions. I wasn't proud I was actually thinking "Wow and I thought I was doing bad right now, what the heck lol". Proud that I was 6th on enmity list with only spamming one skill as a lancer? Not even close sir

Gonna re-quote myself then :



a "bad" DRG for me is a i190+ DRG pulling less than 800 dps. Because I can do more without buffs and with the 2.0 rotation which does less dps than the 3.0 rotation.

This ^ If 1,000 dps on Thordan Ex is considered good near the end then being able to do over 800 dps without buffs with only the 2.0 rotation seems pretty solid evidence the level 60 rotation is optional in level 60 dungeons.

[Andrea]

2. Subjective personal opinion. There isn't a mechanic that makes me die if I don't use the level 52-60 skills or any rules saying I have to, nor indeed do they have to be used to put out decent dps and clear level 60 dungeons. They are optional.

Are...are you actually serious? Are you seriously saying that the new skills you get in Heavensward are optional? Are you actually trolling or being serious?

This ^ If 1,000 dps on Thordan Ex is considered good near the end then being able to do over 800 dps without buffs with only the 2.0 rotation seems pretty solid evidence the level 60 rotation is optional in level 60 dungeons.

This isn't an excuse for not doing your 60 rotation... If you do that DPS using the 50 rotation you'd do more with the 60 rotation. Choosing to do less DPS because you dont want to do the 60 rotation is downright rude.

[Odett]

You people and your assumptions. I wasn't proud I was actually thinking "Wow and I thought I was doing bad right now, what the heck lol". Proud that I was 6th on enmity list with only spamming one skill as a lancer? Not even close sir

I still cannot grasp how you can possibly think that spamming Chaos Thrust without your job crystal on top of that, in a joke dungeon where going AFK is common, is not doing bad. Honestly, if you were doing any worse, you'd be auto-attacking.

[TheUltimateSeph]

Are...are you actually serious? Are you seriously saying that the new skills you get in Heavensward are optional? Are you actually trolling or being serious?

Yes I'm serious sweetheart.

(you're still doing bad)

Well obviously at the time I was doing the lancer thing I wasn't trying. Duh I was doing "Bad" But the notion that ignoring a level 60 rotation and doing the level 50 one makes you bad is pure nonsense. There are times when you can't help it anyway, when BoD or Enochian fall off, there is nothing for you TO do except the 50 rotation. This doesn't mean you automatically become bad at those times lol so why should it mean you are bad if you ignore two extra skills for a level 60 rotation completely?

[Odett]

This ^ If 1,000 dps on Thordan Ex is considered good near the end then being able to do over 800 dps without buffs with only the 2.0 rotation seems pretty solid evidence the level 60 rotation is optional in level 60 dungeons.

near the end, not after heavenly heel. At ilv 190 as a DRG you should be doing roughly between 1150-1200 DPS with a Ravana weapon. 800 DPS is getting carried. Please stop while you're ahead, because you're grossly misinformed if you're not intentionally playing dumb, and at this point, I hope it's the latter. If you can't understand that you're flat-out wrong when people go as far as to give you numbers for you to compare, I'm not sure what more can be said.

Looking at your post above mine, I'm just going to stop replying to you because there is no point. I hope everyone does the same.

[Andrea]

Yes I'm serious sweetheart.

Then if thats how you feel I hope I honestly never get paired with you in a duty.

You literally said that doing more damage is optional. It isn't...you're a DPS when you sign up for a duty you do as much damage as you can. That is impossible using a 50 rotation. Your logic is completely flawed.

How would you feel if I as a healer just wanted to afk behind the tank and let my fairy heal? Obviously any sane person would have a problem with it.

Anyone who actually uses your logic in a duty with other people is indeed rude, bad and lazy. "lets not try to do as much damage as I can, let the other people carry me..."

[Whiteroom]

You people and your assumptions. I wasn't proud I was actually thinking "Wow and I thought I was doing bad right now, what the heck lol". Proud that I was 6th on enmity list with only spamming one skill as a lancer? Not even close sir




This ^ If 1,000 dps on Thordan Ex is considered good near the end then being able to do over 800 dps without buffs with only the 2.0 rotation seems pretty solid evidence the level 60 rotation is optional in level 60 dungeons.

You do realize that striking dummy numbers like the one provided for the that ice mage rotation are different and should not be compared to instance parses, just like you shouldn't compared one instance parse to a different one...


...don't you?

[TheUltimateSeph]

Then if thats how you feel I hope I honestly never get paired with you in a duty.

You literally said that doing more damage is optional. It isn't...you're a DPS when you sign up for a duty you do as much damage as you can. That is impossible using a 50 rotation. Your logic is completely flawed.

How would you feel if I as a healer just wanted to afk behind the tank and let my fairy heal? Obviously any sane person would have a problem with it.

Anyone who actually uses your logic in a duty with other people is indeed rude, bad and lazy. "lets not try to do as much damage as I can, let the other people carry me..."

I really wouldn't have a problem with it as long as your fairy didn't let us die.

Odett I meant that as sarcasm. "Wow and I thought I was doing bad" Yeah, that's not to say I'm doing good but more to the effect of holy hell these other people must REALLY be bad if I'm this bad and still doing better.


It may be worth noting that I am a casual player. If you ever do get paired with me in a duty I think you will find despite my defending of casuals and "lazy" players you might actually be pleasantly surprised with my performance when I'm trying. And I usually do try my best.

Edit: 800 dps is only being carried if everyone else is doing significantly more then you. If everyone else is doing less then you are in fact carrying them with 800 dps. And I really dislike this whole notion of carrying. The term just doesn't sit well with me. By your logic if someone is doing 1,000 dps and I'm doing 950 I'm being carried. This is so false. Different people playing different classes, some with higher ilevels then others, all contributing. Just because someone is doing 100 less dps then everyone else doesn't mean they are getting carried. Truly being carried is laying dead on the floor contributing nothing while everyone else clears the content.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

You know, you'd think this thread would fall off with post limits and all but....

[DPZ2]

All three threads specfically mention BLM by name (and they are by no means the only threads).

Try again.

So, you were pulling the figure out of thin air based on reddit posts? As my youngest son tells me "I believe everything I read on reddit 150%".

As an aside, I got my BA in biological statistics a long time ago, so I have an inkling of where most "statistics" come from when I see them.

"Try again?" ??? Are we in some kind of contest here? Really ???