Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Odett]

Oooooh. Finally, a solid number!

500 DPS is bad, people. So all of you out there are expected to pull at least ... um, 700 is also bad? What is 'good' then? And in what context?

Inquiring minds think this is also a 'spurious statistic', but are willing to be proven wrong.

Context is contingent on item level, if there is AoE or not, collateral damage on ads that don't matter when single-targeting a boss (Faust), off-phases due to mechanics, your job and the type of fight you're dealing with (high SMN DPS in A2) and item level. In a fight like Thordan EX, for example, as an ilv 199 NIN, it's considered decent if you push past 1300 DPS after the first Heavenly Heel. At the end of the fight, your DPS will go down due to off phases, not attacking due to all the mechanics you have to handle, and stacking for certain parts of a fight and losing DPS due to not hitting positionals, so having more than 1000 DPS by the end of the fight is actually not bad, whereas having 1000DPS at the end of the first Heavenly Heel using an ilv199 NIN as an example would mean you have a lot of work to do on your rotation for that fight.

Go over to VA and a boss like Echidna, where the only times you're not hitting something is when it does the stack damage AoE, the mass circle AoE's, and charging up Gehenna, and 700dps is pretty crappy. I could pull around 620 DPS as a lv 50 NIN when Final Coil got Echo. Again, context matters so there is no "solid number", but using the person's example that I quoted, where they were spamming Chaos Thrust as a lv 60 Lancer and somehow being proud that they were SIXTH on the enmity list, I'm pretty sure we can all agree that that is laughable at best.

[TheUltimateSeph]

where they were spamming Chaos Thrust as a lv 60 Lancer and somehow being proud that they were SIXTH on the enmity list, I'm pretty sure we can all agree that that is laughable at best.

You people and your assumptions. I wasn't proud I was actually thinking "Wow and I thought I was doing bad right now, what the heck lol". Proud that I was 6th on enmity list with only spamming one skill as a lancer? Not even close sir

Gonna re-quote myself then :



a "bad" DRG for me is a i190+ DRG pulling less than 800 dps. Because I can do more without buffs and with the 2.0 rotation which does less dps than the 3.0 rotation.

This ^ If 1,000 dps on Thordan Ex is considered good near the end then being able to do over 800 dps without buffs with only the 2.0 rotation seems pretty solid evidence the level 60 rotation is optional in level 60 dungeons.

[Odett]

You people and your assumptions. I wasn't proud I was actually thinking "Wow and I thought I was doing bad right now, what the heck lol". Proud that I was 6th on enmity list with only spamming one skill as a lancer? Not even close sir

I still cannot grasp how you can possibly think that spamming Chaos Thrust without your job crystal on top of that, in a joke dungeon where going AFK is common, is not doing bad. Honestly, if you were doing any worse, you'd be auto-attacking.

[Odett]

This ^ If 1,000 dps on Thordan Ex is considered good near the end then being able to do over 800 dps without buffs with only the 2.0 rotation seems pretty solid evidence the level 60 rotation is optional in level 60 dungeons.

near the end, not after heavenly heel. At ilv 190 as a DRG you should be doing roughly between 1150-1200 DPS with a Ravana weapon. 800 DPS is getting carried. Please stop while you're ahead, because you're grossly misinformed if you're not intentionally playing dumb, and at this point, I hope it's the latter. If you can't understand that you're flat-out wrong when people go as far as to give you numbers for you to compare, I'm not sure what more can be said.

Looking at your post above mine, I'm just going to stop replying to you because there is no point. I hope everyone does the same.

[Whiteroom]

You people and your assumptions. I wasn't proud I was actually thinking "Wow and I thought I was doing bad right now, what the heck lol". Proud that I was 6th on enmity list with only spamming one skill as a lancer? Not even close sir




This ^ If 1,000 dps on Thordan Ex is considered good near the end then being able to do over 800 dps without buffs with only the 2.0 rotation seems pretty solid evidence the level 60 rotation is optional in level 60 dungeons.

You do realize that striking dummy numbers like the one provided for the that ice mage rotation are different and should not be compared to instance parses, just like you shouldn't compared one instance parse to a different one...


...don't you?

[Kuwagami]

This ^ If 1,000 dps on Thordan Ex is considered good near the end then being able to do over 800 dps without buffs with only the 2.0 rotation seems pretty solid evidence the level 60 rotation is optional in level 60 dungeons.

please do not misinterpret my point.

My point is that I expect in df more that a half-assed weak dps rotation. If you can't even provide that then you go in my "to BL list" and that's it. (Or you actually need to learn, but that would be easy to spot)

800 is still not so good at i190. It's just the bare minimum I consider expectable from someone who is trying