Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Reilyn]

Speaking on behalf of North Americans who do put in an honest effort, I kindly invite you to sit down with that nonsense. I've about had it with folks like you slagging off North Americans to gain favor with Japanese players. It's disgusting.

Speak for yourself.

I'm NA. I put in effort. I've downed a4s. I don't care to curry favor with players halfway around the world that don't even know me, and it's likely neither does that person you're responding to. I want much of this community to stop putting in pisspoor amounts of effort, refuse to fix it, or even blame the game as well.

What's disgusting is you putting your NA pride before making the the community better just because someone points out an example to possibly emulate, and trying to speak for all of us. Why don't you keep quiet?

[Whiteroom]

Speaking on behalf of North Americans who do put in an honest effort, I kindly invite you to sit down with that nonsense. I've about had it with folks like you slagging off North Americans to gain favor with Japanese players. It's disgusting.

The results they get show that its true though. The lazy attitude and defense of it on NA data center disgust me. The outrage people recive on these forums for suggesting people put forth even a little effort to support the team they are a part of also disgusts me.

[Granyala]

I wish NA and EU had the JP mentality for DF. Give it your maximum, no matter what. (Unless good reasons)

This is how I play it. Either I go in and give it 100% or I don't go in. Doesn't matter whether it's a low level dungeon or not. (EU btw)
Only exception are guild funruns which are supposed to be relaxed.

The Reason for slacker DPS is that there is no metering system.
Tank fails: BLATANTLY obvious, serious fail = wipe. (and a flamefest to boot b/c tank has to be purrrfect on try 1)
Healer fails: Obvious most of the time, because people die. (insert flamefest)
DPS fails: Barely noticeable... not noticeable at all on encounters w/o enrage mechanic.

What we need is an obvious recount to put some pressure on DPS, buut SE doesn't want that.

[autumn]

This is how I play it. Either I go in and give it 100% or I don't go in.

Whilst I agree with the sentiment of this (personally I always try my hardest), what happens if you think you're giving 100%, like genuinely you believe you're doing your absolute best at your job, but you've misunderstood or have been told something wrong so others see you at far less and assume you're being lazy?

This comes down to attitude of course though, in an ideal world a simple exchange of words can go a long way if it's kept civil. If someone more knowledgeable then says "hey, I noticed this and I know a few tricks that could improve your dps, have you tried X, Y, Z?" it'd be nice if the person in question then replies and a conversation ensues and knowledge is imparted. But what we have been shown in the image is "hello?" "is anyone there?" "is this a bot?" which isn't exactly a nice way to engage someone in a lesson. After that they (both the tank and black mage) are incredibly defensive, excessively so but I can see why. And I'm betting many people have witnessed this kind of exchange or been part of it before. Runs already aren't the most sociable with often a "hi" at the start and if you're lucky a "gg" or "thanks everyone" at the end. Again we don't know exactly what else was said prior to this though.

And you're spot on about dps not having a very visible way to meter their skill in game compared with a tank or healer other than if the run seems to be going faster than usual. It is annoying playing dps and having no real way to tell if you're up there with the best or floating around average, I know I could get a lot more out of my job dps wise to be at the point some of the best in my fc are at.

[dekal]

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Sadly it is not true always. Yesterday afternoon I got off from work for a couple of hours before I got to come back. I got home and I wanted to do at least 2-3 dailies before going back to work.

I got a healer that was doing a very poor job in healing and was just concentrating on DPSing (there were times I could died of I were not spamming CDs 2-4 in each pull. I even used HG). I decided not to say anything during that time cuz I was really tired and just doing my job which to tank. Once we were done with the first boss, the healer went to the wrong direction. I said " wait", " you are going to the wrong direction xD" ( I put that emote cuz for some damn reason can only see it friendly if there San emote ./swt) and the healer replied I NOTICE! And then started to say that she was tired she just got off from work and was not thinking right and I should not tell her what to do. ( srly? I just told you went to the wrong direction. I was really tired to start an argue with that type of person) I was in the same situation, yet I didn't use it as an excuse and continue doing my best. Funny thing is that the dps started to tell her she was a bad healer and cuz she saw me talking nicely she probably wanted me to what defend her? I'm sorry, but I won't do it.

After having that little drama, she actually started to do a bit better yet died in the last boss.

I see the blm as the healer in my party and the tank her defender, which the healer in my party would wanted me to be. It is even more noticeable cuz the healer said they are rl couple so obviously the tank will defend his gf even if she is doing things wrong.

[autumn]

Sadly it is not true always.

Yeah, some people are just stubborn and can't be given advice :/ I've encountered that a few times too.

I guess we all just have to accept not everyone is brilliant and wont all ever be because no matter how many time people give advice or explain things there's always people who wont listen or get upset about it.

On a positive note though, I've also met my fair share of absolutely incredible dps in duty finder who inspire me to get better and make the run so much more efficient.

Much like that mini cactpot card, not every one's a winner though >.>

[Granyala]

But what we have been shown in the image is "hello?" "is anyone there?" "is this a bot?" which isn't exactly a nice way to engage someone in a lesson.

Correct, and I'd be willing to wager that this aggressive opener was the reason why his words fell on deaf ears and ultimately why he was kicked.
Criticism is okay, but keep it polite and constructive. Stick to the mathematical facts and don't imply any personal stuff.

That being said, you WILL encounter people that think they are gods gift to the gaming community and that take even implied criticism personal.
In that case it is best to ignore such a person, as your efforts will most likely be in vain.

[Ciri_Wolf]

Correct, and I'd be willing to wager that this aggressive opener was the reason why his words fell on deaf ears and ultimately why he was kicked.
Criticism is okay, but keep it polite and constructive. Stick to the mathematical facts and don't imply any personal stuff.

That being said, you WILL encounter people that think they are gods gift to the gaming community and that take even implied criticism personal.
In that case it is best to ignore such a person, as your efforts will most likely be in vain.

It's really this easy.

[Arrius]

This is how I play it. Either I go in and give it 100% or I don't go in. Doesn't matter whether it's a low level dungeon or not. (EU btw)
Only exception are guild funruns which are supposed to be relaxed.

The Reason for slacker DPS is that there is no metering system.
Tank fails: BLATANTLY obvious, serious fail = wipe. (and a flamefest to boot b/c tank has to be purrrfect on try 1)
Healer fails: Obvious most of the time, because people die. (insert flamefest)
DPS fails: Barely noticeable... not noticeable at all on encounters w/o enrage mechanic.

What we need is an obvious recount to put some pressure on DPS, buut SE doesn't want that.

I got this gem I found recently to sum it up:

Healers with bad Tanks:


Tanks with bad Healers:


Bad DPS :

[HakaseNyan]

The truth is you can't force anyone to play in a manner you think is appropriate. "This is unacceptable" is actually an unacceptable way to think about something like this. It's unacceptable because you don't have control over them. You would like to, but you don't.

I've encountered plenty of players that I perceive as "bad", we all have, and the unfortunate truth is they are here to stay. You may try and educate them, but in some instances you may come off as trying to harass these individuals. OP could've handled the conversation better, this is a fact, but in the end there is no guarantee the other side won't try to defend "their way", even if it's horrendously awful.