Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[FeliAiko]

Am I the only one who thinks that the vote kick feature was abused in this case? If anyone the tank was one deserving the kick... but premade groups and 2 ppl making the majority of 4 votes~

Yes, it was.

Tank interjected themselves into a conversation that had nothing to do with them to create an unnecessary argument, then abused a system to get rid of the person for rightfully questioning someone's apparent laziness.

The fact that BLM started using it is enough to show she cares. He wanted to keep arguing after she took his advice.

Where in that convo do you see that they used it after his advice, yet the OP continued the argument?

He's an ass. She doesn't need to respond with anything.

Yeah, because the Tank was doing a good job of white knighting on her behalf.

I personally would have told him to shut the **** up

If that's the response you would've given for a legitimate question, then I'd suggest you stick to playing solo games where the only one to suffer from your choice of playstyle is yourself.

[jooozek]

Remove FATES from the game, people will play better ! lol.

I think first giving more incentive for high level people to do low level dungeons would be better, like for example bonus tomes for playing a healer/tank. I'm saying this because in overworld, people won't learn their roles at all. Only putting people through dungeons all the time allows people to hone up their skills since that's where the majority of their kit will be used. Queues for low level dungeons as DPS can be up to 60 minutes from my 1 month experience, I know it can be turning off enough to not try the dungeon more than needed for the daily roulette/MSQ.

[sereh]

The fact that BLM started using it is enough to show she cares. He wanted to keep arguing after she took his advice. He's an ass. She doesn't need to respond with anything. I personally would have told him to shut the **** up

He wasn't being a ass, the tank was the one being the ass quite frankly. The tank is the one who actually started the whole argument and the BLM could have stated something more than a simple "yeah" that didn't even answer the OP's question which btw is a very valid question, they could have responded easily with sorry, I'm still learning.

I mean not everyone is straight out perfect but that tank took it above and beyond. If anyone deserved the vote kick it would have been him not the OP.

[Andrea]

Can people stop ignoring this bit please?

It's a sad day when I need to remind people to use important parts of their kit in order to get them to use it.

I guess I should create a macro for each job and pop them at the start of a dungeon from now on depending on what classes I get./s

Serious question though. Why should I have to ask people to play their job right from the beginning? What happened to people respecting other people and giving the duty all the attention and skill level they had instead of wasting peoples time and being lazy?

[Tanathya]

It's a sad day when I need to remind people to use important parts of their kit in order to get them to use it.

I guess I should create a macro for each job and pop them at the start of a dungeon from now on depending on what classes I get./s

Serious question though. Why should I have to ask people to play their job right from the beginning? What happened to people respecting other people and giving the duty all the attention and skill level they had instead of wasting peoples time and being lazy?

My thoughts exactly. I feel you here, and this is why we need to stop encouraging the "different playstyles" mentality, to put it simply. That's got different shades of grey, but basically that's one of the most used excuses ever to play poorly on purpose. Because, if someone didn't genuinely know they were performing badly, they wouldn't come up with any excuse, especially that one.

[jooozek]

(1/2)

I don't know the reason why the BLM didn't use Enochian since the start, maybe they came back to the game after some time. Maybe it wasn't their day. Maybe they have trouble doing the rotations of the lvl 60 BLM and still attached to the level 50 one. It's impossible to tell, one can only assume things. Do you always perform at 100%? Do you play the game if you can't be sure you will perform at 100%? If you do, that's great, I can appreciate that. I don't like either when people aren't trying their best to their abilities, while this case is indeed were the BLM didn't utilise a very, very important skill from their kit OP really shouldn't started it off with asking if they are a bot. I mean, what exactly was supposed to follow from a snarky question like that?

[jooozek]

(2/2)

The BLM might not be a good player, but maybe they are trying their best, you can't tell the extent of someone's learning ability and adaptability just from one encounter. What I see here is generalization and acting in bad faith, especially that the white mage chimed in that the BLM did in fact start using Enochian.

What i'm trying to say is, to me, your attitude comes before your performance. If you expect someone to perform to your standards, come up with the right attitude. A DPS can be easily replaced, the rest of the party didn't have problems with the general DPS. I very much doubt many people will ignore advice given in a proper manner, unless they have attitude problems themselves, which is the reason why I think some underperform. I think it's important to make distinctions.

(had to split in 2 posts since i can't seem to post more than 1000 characters in one post )

[Ciri_Wolf]

Where in that convo do you see that they used it after his advice, yet the OP continued the argument?

The healer in the party posted that a couple times in this thread. There's one on the front page. It wasn't in the actual screen shot.

Yeah, because the Tank was doing a good job of white knighting on her behalf.

Which is not even her fault.

If that's the response you would've given for a legitimate question, then I'd suggest you stick to playing solo games where the only one to suffer from your choice of playstyle is yourself.

No, that's the response I would have given after the entire conversation. Look at the whole screen shot. He keeps going even after they go after the trash mobs. He stops the party a second time just to keep the argument alive. He got kicked because he wouldn't let it go even after she adjusted her play style.

[Andrea]

The BLM might not be a good player, but maybe they are trying their best.

IMO, if you just came back and don't remember your rotation you shouldn't be doing dungeons until you do actually remember it. If it's not your day that's understandable but popping enochian alone (not even doing the fire/blizzard 4) increases dps. If they are still attached to the 50 rotation and are having trouble with the rotation then again they should be at the very least practising it (the OP had to ask for enochian to even be used at all, shows she wasn't even attempting it.) Do I always perform at 100%? No, no one does. Do I play if I know I wont be at 100%? if it isn't stuff I need to be at 100% sure. However I at least do my rotation and don't choose not to just because I don't want to learn my 60 rotation. I will agree that the OP chose their words extremely poorly and I myself would of told them to shut up.


Edit as stupid limit: If this was a single player game I would have no problem people playing how they want. But this is a MMO. People should be doing their best to help out the party whatever that may be, and knowing and executing your 60 rotation is part of that.If you can't do that (if its a bad day or you simply don't understand your rotation) then you shouldn't be doing group content until you do or unless you have a pre made group. Why should other people suffer because of you.

Again. Im fully ok when I see people trying, what im not ok is people not even trying and then having to ask people to put at least some effort into their job.

[Lemuel81]

Or remove DF

Thats not gonna happen

I wish NA and EU had the JP mentality for DF. Give it your maximum, no matter what. (Unless good reasons)

Issue isnt with DF but rather people are lazy, they want to min. DPS to get by and as long as they THINK they are doing okay, why push any further. As Reisui mentioned, some cultures like the japanese aim for much higher than bare min dps.

maybe NA servers need to put some effort into it and LEARN to actually communicate and stop trying to cut corners.