Paladin TP issues should be adressed

[Torunya]

Go get a Gordian weapon if you want crit/det. You can't expect SE to duplicate stats on same ilvl weapons.

Sure, that's what most will do I have no doubt. But this is the relic we're talking about, the weapon you spend a shit ton of time on. Shouldn't it be, oh I don't know... worth it?

On topic though, the tp issues we get in long fights currently definitely needs a fix. Anything that could give us a slight tp boon would work. But ah well, I'll hold my breath until the next major patch update.

[VaddixKrieg]

Sure, that's what most will do I have no doubt. But this is the relic we're talking about, the weapon you spend a shit ton of time on. Shouldn't it be, oh I don't know... worth it?

On topic though, the tp issues we get in long fights currently definitely needs a fix. Anything that could give us a slight tp boon would work. But ah well, I'll hold my breath until the next major patch update.

the relic is simply another option. besides 77 ss wont kill your tp that doesnt even reduce you gcd by .01 seconds

[Brannigan]

But this is the relic we're talking about, the weapon you spend a shit ton of time on.

Gordian weapon probably takes more time on average, honestly. If you consider the 7 others involved in getting it then it definitely does. Really, the only problem is that all the relics aren't statted like Almace. Anyway, a little bit of speed isn't going to make any significant difference in paladin's TP expenditure. Paladin is just broken.


Actually it's not really paladin that's broken, since dark knight actually runs out of TP too. It's just that warrior has it way too easy on TP.

[Torunya]

Gordian weapon probably takes more time on average, honestly. If you consider the 7 others involved in getting it then it definitely does. Really, the only problem is that all the relics aren't statted like Almace. Anyway, a little bit of speed isn't going to make any significant difference in paladin's TP expenditure. Paladin is just broken.

For now maybe, but the relic questline is constantly expanding. Keep that in mind.

And Dark Knight at least gets its Blood Weapon, so it has some form of tp management when used frequently. Wouldn't mind it if Paladin got a similar skill like that actually, I think that could help a lot.

[Ultimatecalibur]

That would be fine, only it is actively discouraged by HW end-game.

Clemency's cast time (and the possibility of interrupts) limits it's use to Tank Busters, AoE's, or general pauses in the fight where the boss becomes un-target-able (which makes no diff to Tp, since you're no longer attacking anyway). So even if you are using Clemency liberally and skillfully you're not replenishing all that much Tp on the whole. Using Clemency or Stone Skin during a mob pull is enmity suicide, because Pld's have the lowest enmity gen out of all the Tanks. 3 seconds casting is 3 seconds in which you stand to lose hate on something a gun happy Smn is attacking.

Now, for the most part (100% up-time fights aside) it is possible to use Clemency and Stone Skin to the effect of keeping a decent amount of Tp (not nearly as much as War or Drk, but enough to function); however, if you do use those skills you are openly criticized for it by both the game mechanics and your party members. Dps checks were so steep in end-game that any Pld who dared to cast a Stone Skin or Clemency were crucified for lowering the parties Dps. Pld's already have the lowest Dps of all 3, so they were first on the chopping block when Dps checks hit the ceiling. Going extra Tanky by using SS or Clem meant being immediately replaced with a War or Drk.

Yep. So many problems seem to stem from player and the dev team's perspectives on what is important not aligning.

And Dark Knight at least gets its Blood Weapon, so it has some form of tp management when used frequently. Wouldn't mind it if Paladin got a similar skill like that actually, I think that could help a lot.

Blood Weapon was originally a DpS cooldown which inadvertently increased TP consumption. The 20% decrease in TP costs was added to prevent it from being a TP drain. The math is slightly off and it ended up being a TP gain at low skillspeed levels when the buff was applied.

[Februs]

Yep. So many problems seem to stem from player and the dev team's perspectives on what is important not aligning.

Definitely. Once they've made something and given it to the world it's hard to anticipate what the world will do with it ... That being said, I think that this is also a case of one hand not knowing what the other is doing. Consider:

-They gave Pld's casting tools, but they did not adjust Pld enmity to account for the cast time.

-They gave them a high skill speed, but Clemency scales off of spell speed.

- Hypothetically, a high skill speed could compensate for a low threat gen if Pld's could use their enmity combo faster than the other two tanks ...

- BUT, at the same time, if they did have enough skill speed to compensate for their low threat gen, they'd burn through Tp faster and have to resort to casting.

- Faster speed = Increased Tp consumption. Increased Tp consumption = Increased casting to compensate. Increased casting = Decreased enmity and decreased dps ... which defies the point of having that skill speed.

No matter how you slice it, it doesn't make sense that Pld was designed this way, and these aren't the only problems. There's a lot of things about the Pld kit that are counter-intuitive (not being able to self-buff with Divine Veil by casting Clemency, for example), and that's before they are even put into practice. High Dps checks seen in end-game pretty much write off all of Pld's casting. So, even if the developers who put together the Pld kit thought that casting would be a Pld's means of Tp conservation, the dungeon development team obviously did not get the memo, because they made that impossible with the way they designed the dungeons.

[Torunya]

So, even if the developers who put together the Pld kit thought that casting would be a Pld's means of Tp conservation, the dungeon development team obviously did not get the memo, because they made that impossible with the way they designed the dungeons.

Your words are like song to my ears. I couldn't have said it any better.