Anima Weapon Gil Cost

[Eidolon]

How old are you? 15? Totally overreacting and completely childish.

Some people keep forgetting that this is not a single player game. People just don't want to communicate with others in order to get things done and prefer to do it all by themselves. CERTAIN things will require you to interac with other people like this relic. Get advice and support from you FC and if you haven't got one join one.

Tell me something...

Why is it the action of a 15 year old to voice dissatisfaction with a product? Why is it that they, who clearly feel that the method in which SquareEnix is doing relics and is dissatisfied with it, should be considered a 'child' for choosing to vote with their wallet and to voice the dissatisfaction on the forums in the hope that it reaches the ears of Square Enix?


This is the most mature thing they could do. A 15 year old would just leave the game subbed and stop playing, because it's not their money they're wasting - it's their parents (Though, even at 15, my parent had me work around the neighborhood to earn my online subscription, and I still had to choose that over playing other games.)

It's not an overreaction. This part of the relic was very poorly designed, and people are not happy with it. If they choose to unsub because they found it to be a very poorly implemented thing, this could well be the straw that broke the camel rather than the sole* reason. Or the relic grind in the past might've been the major reason they stayed subbed. Regardless, to insult them for that is just... Gah. I'm trying not to be insulting with my thoughts on this - forgive me if I have come across overly abrasive.

Edit: Spelling. I put that 'rather than the soul reason' :3c...

[LineageRazor]

Why are folks so amazed that there's a high-gil-cost portion of the new relic quest? The old relic had TWO: the materia-melding phase, and - surprise - a crafted-item phase.

The relic process has always been about long-term persistence and perseverence. No matter how expensive a phase might seem, if you dedicate yourself to earning money, if you treat the game like a job, you'll get there. It's no surprise at all that a lot of folks don't WANT to treat a game like a job, and that's perfectly reasonable. These weapons were not designed with such people in mind, and there are other weapons (better weapons, even) available that don't require nearly so much grinding. Even if you don't want to treat the game like a job, there are plenty of folks out there who are perfectly content to do so. Those are the people you are competing against, so it's no surprise that the task seems daunting!

As for the high cost of the crafted items, keep in mind that players only price items as high as they can sell them for. While they might seem outrageously expensive, SOMEONE is buying them. If no one was, the price would drop. If paying the big bucks right now doesn't appeal, just wait a while; once the moneybags on the server finish emptying their pockets and folks stop buying the items at their current prices, the crafters will need to lower the price in order to sell at all. Once it drops into your price range, snap 'em up!

If you want it sooner than that, scrimp and save. Figure out what sellable items make the most money, and get out there and farm them. Use the money you make to buy these items - or, come to your senses, realize that the anima weapon just isn't worth it, and realize you have enough money to buy a house! Well, at least, if any houses were actually available to buy...

[Alahra]

Why are folks so amazed that there's a high-gil-cost portion of the new relic quest? The old relic had TWO: the materia-melding phase, and - surprise - a crafted-item phase.

Additionally, the very first stage for the original Relics had a significant cost as well, in early 2.0. While 2 Materia Melds may not seem like much compared to Novus, Grade IIIs were far more rare back then, and also in high demand because of Relics and Pentamelds, as well as level 50 DoH quests, and there was also a crafted step for the first stage too, since you needed the base weapon.

As for "why on earth"—systems that encourage interaction between different groups of players have been SE's modus operandum for well over a decade in their MMOs, and we've seen crafters involved in the Relic quest before as a result. We'll see them involved again in the future, I'm sure.

[Mycow8me]

My only problem with relics is that: They were created for the people who don't mind spending alot of time to obtain because for whatever reason, they have trouble raiding due to time/work/school/whatever. They were also apparently created for people who only have alot of money to spend. I could spend the money, but I can't bring myself to justify it.

It's like trial of the magians on ffxi only you need a ton of gil to complete as well. Makes no sense. Why not just a rough grind and call it at that?

I would give relic quests up in a heartbeat for a "trial of the magians" variant in FFXIV but the problem here is that gear doesn't have enough diversity to have something similar so were stuck with whatever relic quest they give us.

Seems like alot of people are in support of this because of "communication" and whatnot. I believe everyone is willing to communicate to find crafters to make them but the problem is still that even the mats cost alot of gil. Arguably your dropping all this gil for a weapon that will only be briefly top tier till a new release and there are other things people might be wanting to save their gil for but would still like to complete relic.

I don't consider overcoming the games economy a challenge for completing relic either (in before the players buy gil and RMT wins again!)... If they want these things to be worth obtaining in the long run, they need to actually withstand a long run in the game as well.

NERF PLS.

[AkashiXI]

Additionally, the very first stage for the original Relics had a significant cost as well, in early 2.0. While 2 Materia Melds may not seem like much compared to Novus, Grade IIIs were far more rare back then, and also in high demand because of Relics and Pentamelds, as well as level 50 DoH quests, and there was also a crafted step for that.

As for "why on earth"—systems that encourage interaction between different groups of players have been SE's modus operandum for well over a decade in their MMOs, and we've seen crafters involved in the Relic quest before as a result. We'll see them involved again in the future, I'm sure.

Eh, I think you're grasping for straws on the first relic. They were tier 3 graded materia that corresponded to their jobs, meaning you could have easily gotten them while leveling 43+ and converting your gear. I can guarantee you that's what Square intended us to do, making it a good learning experience/giving incentive to players to convert their gear.

[Alahra]

Eh, I think you're grasping for straws on the first relic. They were tier 3 graded materia that corresponded to their jobs, meaning you could have easily gotten them while leveling 43+ and converting your gear. I can guarantee you that's what Square intended us to do, making it a good learning experience/giving incentive to players to convert their gear.

I'm sure that was part of the intent, yes, but you could also do that for the Novus step, and no one would argue that it wasn't expensive. Materia were in high demand at that point, and even if you got them from converting them yourself, that's still an opportunity cost equal to the gil you could have made.

My point wasn't to say that it was stupidly expensive, though: only that interaction with crafters has been part of the relic at numerous points, so players shouldn't particularly be surprised that the trend has continued.

As others have noted in this thread, none of the materials needed to make the current items are especially rare, and they can "easily" be gotten through Diadem, and seeing the stark differences between NA server pricing and JP server pricing, as well as the lower prices on higher population servers, I'd wager the problem is less the design of the quest and more the nature of the differing communities.

[Kewitt]

It only cost a lot right now... because everyone is trying to finish it quickly.

In turn ... Make friends get items from content and have them craft for you.

[AkashiXI]

My point wasn't to say that it was stupidly expensive, though: only that interaction with crafters has been part of the relic at numerous points, so players shouldn't particularly be surprised that the trend has continued.

Nobody with a rational mind could disagree with this statement, so yes I agree with you on this point. Novus, in design, wasn't that horrible of a grind, but rather the community set standards that became the norm. If you didn't have det/crit as a melee, piety as white mage, spell speed as black mage, etc. you weren't optimal, and prices on the MB reflected on that. Cool, I get that. The reason why I don't like this relic grind and why I'm barely making progress (11/80) is because the grind is astonishing for the amount of reward you get.

And before anyone tells me I can just do dailies/beastmen every day and eventually get it... that doesn't sound like fun at all. To log on, do dungeons, do my dailies, and then do the things I want to do would take hours and hours, and I'd rather go play other games. So that's what I'm doing: playing 14 when I feel like it, and then doing other things other than idling while waiting for a dungeon que that I REALLY don't want to do.

[jssanderson747]

On siren the crafted portion comes just shy of 8m gil. While personally I can afford it I'm not sure I want to fork over that kind of gil for +2 weapon damage.

People insisted that the prices were gonna drop by the time the grind was over but at least on NA servers it has stabilized at some pretty ridiculous prices.

How are people dealing with this? Just biting the bullet? Sucking up to crafters and hoping they're feeling charitable?

Despite the obvious flaws this presents for more casual players who don't gather or craft, as someone who profits solely off of gathering, it's kind of fulfilling that I've been able to make the gil necessary (roughly 8 mil on Coeurl as well) just due to how the markets are balanced lately. That said, there are tons of crafters on my server, so lots of people are competing for the current relic market so specific materials are super in demand.

[Dante_V]

I payed about 1.2 to 1.5 million for each set (4 items) on Jenova. Total cost was about 5.5 - 6 million range. I could definitely understand why this would be hard for people to pay. The best way if you don't have that kind of money is to get the items for the recipe and have a crafter make them for you that way. It is bit more time consuming to research and collect however it will save you substantial amount of gil.