The arrogance of some people

[XgungraveX]

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im very aware how rotate defense cds when the time call for it but when im sitting at 10% hp more than a min then die because the healer is too busy dpsing a mob rather than keeping the tank alive it get annoying fast when it happens more that once. i dont really care if healers dps in fights as long they keep that party alive should be 1st objective. but if they cant mutitask maybe they should just heal and let players who que for dps let them worry about mobs.

[Odett]

im very aware how rotate defense cds when the time call for it

When the time calls for it? You should always be using defensive cooldowns if you are being struck

[XgungraveX]

When the time calls for it? You should always be using defensive cooldowns if you are being struck

depends on the situation on mobs/boss fights im not going to blow all my defense cds because i got hit with a melee vs bout get slammed with a tank buster or if dmg is coming in real fast because of muti pulls. hell before i even do anything i check with the healer to see if there ok with how we do the run.

[Odett]

depends on the situation on mobs/boss fights im not going to blow all my defense cds because i got hit with a melee vs bout get slammed with a tank buster or if dmg is coming in real fast because of muti pulls. hell before i even do anything i check with the healer to see if there ok with how we do the run.

That's not how tanking works, lol. You don't blow all your defensive cooldowns for anything because you're gonna have a giant phase of spike damage where you have nothing to use and you'll make your healer work harder. You have tons of cooldowns and each one can be used depending on what you're fighting and your current situation, but you never NOT use one if you are being hit by anything. If you die, and you had no defensive cooldowns up, then yes, it's more than likely your fault. If you overpull, and incorrectly gauge your cooldown usage, then that too, is more than likely your fault as well; that's part of our responsibility as tanks.

[XgungraveX]

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not going to blow a cd on one mob......

[RiceisNice]

You have tons of cooldowns and each one can be used depending on what you're fighting and your current situation, but you never NOT use one if you are being hit by anything. If you die, and you had no defensive cooldowns up, then yes, it's more than likely your fault. If you overpull, and incorrectly gauge your cooldown usage, then that too, is more than likely your fault as well; that's part of our responsibility as tanks.

It's too broad of a stroke for tanking. The cooldowns should ideally be used based on the circumstances. There's absolutely no reason to use cooldowns if you're doing small pulls (and I typically do this if this if the DPS is less than subpar AND the healer isn't dpsing, at that point more often than not they are overhealing me), even when you forego your tanking stance. A perspective or playstyle should never be absolute and there's always room for variance depending on what's going on.

[Odett]

It's too broad of a stroke for tanking. The cooldowns should ideally be used based on the circumstances. There's absolutely no reason to use cooldowns if you're doing small pulls (and I typically do this if this if the DPS is less than subpar AND the healer isn't dpsing, at that point more often than not they are overhealing me), even when you forego your tanking stance.

If a cooldown will be up for the next pull and you refuse to use it for your current pull, then you're essentially wasting it.

Furthermore, you have such a large and varied number of defensive cooldowns at your disposal that that is where your point about variance falls in and that's where I agree with you. Your cooldown usage will depend on the situation, but just not using cooldowns, especially one that will be up against for the next pull and giving your healer unnecessary trouble is something I cannot stand behind.

[Riki_Namu]

If a cooldown will be up for the next pull and you refuse to use it for your current pull, then you're essentially wasting it.

This 100x. I generally rotate through my D cooldowns every pull so that one is always off cooldown and ready. Its a waste otherwise. You are a tank.... use those CD's. Unless its right before a boss then I normally save as many as I can. The longer ones anyways.

[RiceisNice]

If a cooldown will be up for the next pull and you refuse to use it for your current pull, then you're essentially wasting it.

I can't "waste" it if the healer is already overhealing me with cure Is the moment I take 600 from an auto attack. And just to throw it out, I use vengence and raw intuiton as a dps cooldown for my triple decimates ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, so I'm not really holding onto them, but I wouldn't consider them tanking cooldowns either.