Why do so many people FAIL at dps.

[Jim_Berry]

As someone who only plays a dps job I'll be the first to admit that... sometimes I just dong give a **** about how much damage I deal after running the same content over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Hahaha... I can relate. On my third Diadem run within the same day, all I spammed was the Armor Crush combo on my NIN. Heck, I even didn't bother with Trick Attack at times. But that don't mean I don't know my job.

In some cases, we can't always get maximum DPS. As a NIN, if there's no WAR or other NIN, I can barely get an Aeolian Edge combo in because of Dancing Edge, Shadow Fang, Mutilate, and Armor Crush, without one of those falling. If I get an Aeolian Edge in there, I use it with Blood for Blood and Duality. Within those two seconds, I lost a dot and must reply the entire combo.

[Ironos]

Pfft, WAR is a DPS that comes with a tanking option.. we all know that. Lol!

Also PLD's 500 potency "flash" is "decent" aggro. It's still 1 button press.

My point is, all jobs, aside from loladin (sadly might I add), is capable of "easily" dishing out DPS. There is no excuse to do abysmally low DPS. I'm not asking you to dish out 3500 AoE DPS. But I also don't want to see you doing 650 in AoE as a goon. Heck, even as PLD, if you flash just enough to have aggro on everything and then go down to the VERY easy 1, 2, 3 combo you'll probably pop 500-600 DPS lol.

Oh, I thought you meant actual damage. Not that pretend damage that flash makes the enemies think they take. I wasn't disputing PLD's dps in general (though still lacking), just the claim of "literally" every class pressing one button for decent AoE DPS, save for MNK and SMN.

[Altera]

Using an Addon, like the DPSmeter is against the User Agreement, and if you openly admit that you use one, be aware you can get a permaban.

[darkwithless]

As someone who initially failed the reading check on Fire3/Bliz3: that "and" instead of the "or" I was expecting; I have biased, though incorrect option of blm tooltips being straight forward.

That said, can anyone point to me where in game I can find what the potency modifiers are on AF1-3, it really bothers me that so far I haven't been able to find them. I found them online a month and a half ago, at that time I thought AF3 was *1.5 instead of *1.875. This doesn't really effect my rotation, but it would be nice if the game would tell me what they were like it does for Heavy Thrust and Greece Lightening.

P.s. I am mortified by how bad I was when I started this game.

[SchalaZeal]

Actually Bliz2 has a decent range to it.

I was quoting about Tri-Bind, the most useless Arcanist skill ever. If it has pvp uses I'll never know, I don't pvp.

[Phoenicia]

Oh, I thought you meant actual damage. Not that pretend damage that flash makes the enemies think they take. I wasn't disputing PLD's dps in general (though still lacking), just the claim of "literally" every class pressing one button for decent AoE DPS, save for MNK and SMN.

Well, what I basically was trying to point out is the lack of "complexity" needed to do "decent performance". I excluded MNK and SMN because their AoE happens to be a "combo" of sorts and not a button spam. Considering the use of certain abilities and CDs (Bane+Painflare, PB, AoE being every third hit). I was not disputing or "teaching" AoE DPS though. I am just pointing out the simplicity.

All I'm saying is: Contrary to optimal DPS, it doesn't require max focus to do decent DPS, but rather pressing buttons in order will get you somewhere. I tell you, I have my "lazy days", but I end up with over 1k on single target. How? Muscle memory. As a BLM, if I'm not focused, you WILL see Enochian drop early... More than I'd like even. But instead of just standing there and staring at the monitor, I just turn to your ol' friend, spam-Fire-1-until-out-of-MP. Which brings me to another point:

Some classes got more complex in 3.x, true, but come on, just revert to your old lv50 rotation and you'll still pass 1k. Don't tell me that almost a year, or in some cases, 2, of playing the same job didn't engrave the old rotations into your muscle memory now.

Yes, it is ignorant to assume everyone played since beta. But all it takes is a few sessions of a few minutes on a dummy over a few days, give or take, for said rotations to be pure muscle memory.

[Kosmos992k]

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That's all sunshine and rainbows, but people really ought to have some level of accountability.

I quite agree, people who are jerks to others need to be held accountable for their actions. Incidentally, people who are not as good at a game as you are not being jerks, nor are people who don't treat the game as seriously as you do. But if you react to them in an unreasonable, negative manner, prepare to be held accountable.

To look at a button that objectively causes you to deal more damage and decide not to use it, however, is making an active decision to detrimentally affect your performance at the expense of everyone else in your group, and is inconsiderate to everyone involved. That's not a good attitude to support with "Well, they're just enjoying the game, so I don't mind if they waste my time."

You are making a presumptive judgement about another player's skill and knowledge and assigning a deliberate and negative motivation to their actions. You are also presuming that everyone who *plays* this *game* takes it as seriously as you do. Compassion is highly underrated in todays gamer population.

[Kaurie]

I quite agree, people who are jerks to others need to be held accountable for theirvactions. Incidentally, people who are not as good at a game as you are not being jerks, nor are people who don't treat the game as seriously as you do. But if you react to them in an unreasonable, negative manner, prepare to be held accountable.


You are making a presumptive judgement about another player's skill and knowledge and assigning a deliberate and negative motivation to their actions. You are also presuming that everyone who *plays* this *game* takes it as seriously as you do. Compassion is highly underrated in todays gamer population.

Kosmos' I find myself half agreeing with you all the time! In this case, yes, people need to be respectful of each other. However, part of that respect is putting in your appropriate effort when in a team situation. As I alluded to a few posts back, it would be disrespectful to your sports team if you were to dick around on a cell phone while they are all trying their hardest to win. The same goes here, if you are watching netflix and just auto-attacking while you do your roulettes, you're hurting your team.

I was quoting about Tri-Bind, the most useless Arcanist skill ever. If it has pvp uses I'll never know, I don't pvp.

Feel free to not use tri-bind, but it is a DPS increase over Ruin III on 5+ mobs. If you don't want to use it, that's your perogative.

You also did mention something about not using blizzard II so you can avoid AoEs.

[Elazu]

People just don't care. They think they are entitled to get carried by better players.

Had a Windbite spamming Bard in a dungeon today. Might have been a bot, but I wouldn't put it past this playerbase.

Doesn't help that this community is totally anti-skill either.

[UBERHAXED]

Kosmos' I find myself half agreeing with you all the time! In this case, yes, people need to be respectful of each other. However, part of that respect is putting in your appropriate effort when in a team situation. As I alluded to a few posts back, it would be disrespectful to your sports team if you were to dick around on a cell phone while they are all trying their hardest to win. The same goes here, if you are watching netflix and just auto-attacking while you do your roulettes, you're hurting your team.



Feel free to not use tri-bind, but it is a DPS increase over Ruin III on 5+ mobs. If you don't want to use it, that's your perogative.

You also did mention something about not using blizzard II so you can avoid AoEs.

Let's not suggest people be bad and use tri-bind. That's like telling lazy bards that it's perfectly fine to use wide volley instead of qiuck nock. There's not reason to use a higher cost, lower potency move when there's another move (blizzard II) with higher potency, lower cost, exactly the same additional effects and larger AoE area. Being in melee range should never be an excuse not to use an attack.