Why do so many people FAIL at dps.

[Pinkie_Pie]

I honestly don't understand, my buddy and I were doing a Aery dungeon, He was the tank and I was the mch and the funny thing is, there was another mch in level 60 full geared out in 200, whatever, hes helping his healer friend or something ok.

We start pullling and guess what? I'm top dps, by 200-300 dps then the other mch reported by my friend. Seeing as we can't harass that guy for doing low dps we truck on through the dungeon and as we get to the second boss I noticed something, he doesn't have his barrel on, I asked why hes not using it and he said "Can't stand the cast times, I can get more dps without since I can dps on the go" THAT BLEW MY MIND! Ok, whatever, I let it slide but then I get in an expert and I have an ninja dps (I was the monk) and i'm just watching him not even cast huton at *all* and when he did do it, he let it fall off. Thats not including all the times he never used trick attack or could even keep up shadow fang/mut on any mobs.

Seriously, what is UP with dps these days. Why are they so lazy, why are they so *bad*? is it cause they use a controller? maybe they think its hello kitty island or Guild wars 2? I don't know!

Edit: Well, I wanted to make a thread about dps trying to be lazy in dungeons examples of void ark, dps just auto attacking afk, spamming one skill while semi afk and also those who just push buttons, don't watch their debuff dots or rotations etc, only to be countered claimed and bashed on based off my clear groups dps(Which I had no consent on posting them) when I did dps on whether it was tanking or dps role. Thought I did say I can pick up a dps class, fully maximize the dps and say its easy, I was wrong but it doesn't change the fact I try my very best to try to do the good dps required for the group and not be a hindrance unlike people just semi afk or not knowing their class and so on. People say they I was schooled, but to be honest I'm trying to show the trouble that's hiding infront of us that is never really discussed cause people always ignore it or counter it by saying "They pay money, they can do what they want".

You are bad at this game and the fact that it was shown in a topic complaining about other people's performance makes it so much sweeter

The performance I had in my clear groups may not be the top in the server dps as a tank or undergeared dps but it was enough for our group to clear but also showed that I did my very best to do my dps. What say to those who just afk dps in void ark or do know their class rotations let alone just not try.

As far as dungeons go, a good reason is that those who are already geared, but are grinding dungeons for ESO for maybe an alt or whatever reason, just go in, and do the bare minimum because thta's all that's required in basic lv. 60 dungeons. It's not like they're hard and require a huge amount of effort, just basic knowledge and basic rotations will get you through just fine. Even in Alex and Ark, people could do the basic necessities.

ALso, arguing about dps in 4 man dungeons is just stupid unless they're just auto attacking *only* or is afk. The dungeons can almost be 2 manned now.

When doing alex floor 1, we had 3 dps not even care to dps, mostly just doing afk rotations or macros, the boss enraged 3 times before the veto happened. In the level 60 dungeons when tanking the bombs required to die, had a brd semi afk just spamming straight shot and a few skills here and there, bombs never died fast enough leaving them to blow up in our face, healer was new so it was a wipe, this happened 2 times. When confronted he said "I know what I'm doing"

Clearly you guys fell into OP's bait. This here is a troll thread.

When ever anyone tries to bring up a discussion in a topic that is true, they think its bait or some kind of troll thread when events like this on dps being semi afk or not caring or not knowing their class truly does happen.

Quit throwing things out of context. There's no reason for you to be dying to avoidable damage if you care about not being a waste of a party slot. The person you're replying to isn't even talking about deaths in general (which at times can be out of your control), but deaths that you yourself caused (Not getting yourself killed). On top of that, being undergeared is a liability to your survival anyway, and on top of that Thordan has a Ilvl requirement so unless you're boosting your Ilvl with accessories (which is a different problem), you can't be undergeared.

I threw things out of context when someone posted my logs without my consent and now everyone is using that against me, saying I shouldn't have a voice to speak out about this, and that I am a troll or this is bait, yes, I did die in my fight, twice in fact, one doing pizza slices and second doing the aoe phase but I did the very best of my abilities for that clear as a dps spot, we downed him and it made me happy when we did, nobody is going to take that achievement away from me or try to use that as a weapon to speak out against dps that are lazy like in void ark or crystal tower or so on.

it *would* be *a* crime *for* someone *to* want to *use* some *sort* of *dps* meter as a *weapon* against someone, wouldn't *it*?

I strongly *advise* you to *consider* going from *a* glass *house* to *plastic*

...how is "getting carried" not "being lazy while DPSing"?

I got carried cause my dps was supbar unlike the fully geared item 200+ group I was in but I did my very best to add to the group, I didn't just be half afk not caring on "If I get the clear, I get the clear so I'm going to push buttons" mentally.

Yes but the OP has REASONS for bad DPS (common things like being dead, bad gear etc) whereas no one else from the df could possibly have reasons nearly as important....

OPs reasons count - everyone else just has excuses...

Nobody cares, they see only the numbers I did in my clear group and is using that against me and lashing out for speaking out about other dps. They think I should not have a voice about it unless my dps is top notch of the very best sad to say, it enraged me.

The fact of the matter is, you made some very elitist statements pertaining to other DPS players in your original post. You claimed that you can just pick up a DPS class and maximize its potential, and further stated that it's easy to do so. I mean... seriously? I feel that I'm pretty decent as a monk, but I won't come running to the official forums basically claiming to be the Queen of Monks and that I can poop out maximum DPS on it. I think you're confusing "I know my rotation and am passably competent on the class," with "I know how to fully maximize DPS." Anyone that reads tooltips and takes the time to figure out how the skills fit together on the most basic level can be passably competent at a class. Maximizing DPS takes time, practice, and gear.

And like I said, I was wrong on that statement and made it elitist but I was upset doing that void ark dungeon with half the groups half afk and me doing my very best. It felt wrong and made the run 4 times longer (Including the wipes due to people not moving and while half afk) I may not be the queen of monks but I will do my damndest to try to give out my fullest attention and knowledge I can give, another reason I was upset and made the thread only for it to backfire and blowup in my face and people only to turn and bite at me instead of confirming there are people that do semi afk or not know their class and just play to sake to play.

You know what, I'm done. You guys want to twist my words, use dps logs against me and call me a troll, whatever, i'm done, to the people who agreed with me. thank you, we all see those type of people in like the void ark and crystal tower and so on, to the people that kept attacking me or tried to be passive aggressive towards me

I hate all.

After all trying to defend myself, it landed on deft ears to some which frustrated me, not only did it frustrated me that I'm not even giving my best in dungeons anymore nor even do thordin ex anymore, I feel if this is how the community see how dps should act, I guess if you can't beat them or talk about them, might as well join them. That passion fire inside me is gone now and I honestly believe that with how people using logs against me, unless I'm server top or near the top, I have no voice and should say nothing and do nothing.

Nothing wrong with tapping out man, especially when you've been schooled.

Another reason I'm not going to speak out about this or even talk about this anymore, people like that don't care what I say or the topic involved and another reason the fire burned inside me to do my very best in this game anymore.

I won't bring this up anymore, I just... don't care anymore. I honestly believed people would understand this cause but, I was wrong and...not give my all anymore, this thread and comment towards me, confirmed that.

Good bye everyone. *sigh*

[SpookyGhost]

Game doesn't show DPS numbers. Game doesn't teach you anything about your job. Game doesn't challenge you until end game raiding so people skid by on their bare minimum DPS. Etc.

[Pinkie_Pie]

Game doesn't show DPS numbers. Game doesn't teach you anything about your job. Game doesn't challenge you until end game raiding so people skid by on their bare minimum DPS. Etc.

Well, this wouldn't be bad if end game wasn't all about "STRICT DPS CHECKS". not even WoW has super super high strict dps checks. I mean, like, my father plays a hunter and my sister-in-law plays a ele shaman and they pull high dps in heroic *raids* in WoW.

But then again, maybe you are right with that, cause in WoW, my father and my sister in law got dps meters and they are always practicing on how to fully maximize their dps and look up guides on how to do it on WoWhead or something.

[Zetsumei_Tsunarashi]

So many people think that they are hitting harder by doing certain things because they see the enemy hp bar going down fast but actually what's happening is they are being carried by the other dps.

[Atoli]

I can pick up a dps class and fully maximize the dps of that said *class* cause its easy.

Good for you. I personally have no trouble picking up new languages super fast, but I don't go around the world and tell everyone how much they suck because they aren't as gifted.
Are you the type of person to go up to someone in a wheelchair and ask them why they don't run as fast as you?
There are VARIOUS reasons for people to play their class worse than you, and it's incredibly rude to just assume they are lazy just because they stuggle with something that comes easy to you.

[Crysten]

Good for you. I personally have no trouble picking up new languages super fast, but I don't go around the world and tell everyone how much they suck because they aren't as gifted.
Are you the type of person to go up to someone in a wheelchair and ask them why they don't run as fast as you?
There are VARIOUS reasons for people to play their class worse than you, and it's incredibly rude to just assume they are lazy just because they stuggle with something that comes easy to you.

[DarkB]

Good for you. I personally have no trouble picking up new languages super fast, but I don't go around the world and tell everyone how much they suck because they aren't as gifted.
Are you the type of person to go up to someone in a wheelchair and ask them why they don't run as fast as you?
There are VARIOUS reasons for people to play their class worse than you, and it's incredibly rude to just assume they are lazy just because they stuggle with something that comes easy to you.

Because grabbing a parser, going for 3 minutes online to find a rotation for your job, logging into game > going to a dummy and try it out is mindblowing hard right?
There is a crapton of information out there on any class. go to google.com and type "your class" xiv rotation. Done. wow that hard?
Thats how you start learning, but the aforementioned people dont even do this. and it is unexcusable. its just being lazy. No one asks you to be top dps on ur server, but there is a minimum where you shouldnt drop off, and not using ur class properly despite high or low dps (dots and skills) is just a plain synthom of Lazyness. No ps3, no amiga, no atari, no dogs on the keyboard, no lag, nothing else.

[Umo]

Because grabbing a parser, going for 3 minutes online to find a rotation for your job, logging into game > going to a dummy and try it out is mindblowing hard right?
There is a crapton of information out there on any class. go to google.com and type "your class" xiv rotation. Done. wow that hard?
Thats how you start learning, but the aforementioned people dont even do this. and it is unexcusable. its just being lazy. No one asks you to be top dps on ur server, but there is a minimum where you shouldnt drop off, and not using ur class properly despite high or low dps (dots and skills) is just a plain synthom of Lazyness. No ps3, no amiga, no atari, no dogs on the keyboard, no lag, nothing else.

You do know there are people new to MMORPGs, right? I know it may sounds crazy, but some people doesn't even know what "rotation" refers to.
Of course you can start learning how to play any given class by searching the internet, but that's not the only way. You can start learning how to play any given class by actually playing that class in-game, aswell, and that does not have to be related to plain laziness.
On the other hand, some people do not care about enhancing their combat playstyle and decide to play a class just the way they like to, and yet again, it's not necessarily a matter of laziness.

[Galan]

Game with dps checks needs proper meters. Devs are BEYOND STUPID if they think meters are not necessary.

If you don't have a PC then you can't check your dps without help from a friend who has a PC. That being said you don't need meters to do decent dps and many don't dps worth a damn. Why do i have to carry these people through content? If i started doing same bad dps the dungeon would never be cleared. I just did a level 50 dungeon other day on BLM where i did 400 dps on last boss and other blm did a whopping 92. Tank did 93. All synced. Carried much?

The class' are called dps cause there there to do dps. If your not doing that why bother?

And if you try to give pointers, well of course they know best how to play and all so they won't listen.

[RiceisNice]

You do know there are people new to MMORPGs, right? I know it may sounds crazy, but some people doesn't even know what "rotation" refers to.
On the other hand, some people do not care about enhancing their combat playstyle and decide to play a class just the way they like to, and yet again, it's not necessarily a matter of laziness.

The game does well enough to tell you how to combo and even highlights the abilities to do such (and they automatically place new abilties onto your skill bar as you obtain them). There's honestly no excuse for anyone to be doing less than say, 400....because thats how much I can do on my BRD by just spamming heavy shot. Any lower than that and you're afking to miss both GCDs and auto attacks.